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SPR
Nov 2021
12:28pm, 3 Nov 2021
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I think it's pretty easy to use paces TBH for me but I know my easy. Anything 8mm or slower is usually easy for me hence the pace range I set. 7-8 is usually steady to easy.

Also using race pace metrics, my 5000 pace is 5:17mm so the pace that gives a good indication of what's likely to be easy.

My Max HR is around 200.

As I said though I run to feel, stats are for later.
SPR
Nov 2021
12:41pm, 3 Nov 2021
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Bowman - Looking at your avg HR on your infographic with your max slightly lower than mine, you're running at a higher effort level than me. You probably need to configure the pace zones on the right hand side as hard to get any meaningful information from that ATM.
Nov 2021
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SPR, ok, but what do you mean by "configure the pace zones"?
Nov 2021
12:54pm, 3 Nov 2021
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Ah i found them SPR, but is that on feel, how are they configured from start?
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Bowman
Damn i totally missed that :)
So now i have to set these zones according to my perceived effort paces, or something like that?
Humm..
I realize i sound stupid, but bare in mind that this isn't my native language too. :)
SPR
Nov 2021
1:02pm, 3 Nov 2021
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You could configure them based on all the information you have to set a normal range which is basically what I've done as explained above.

Top two zones on mine will cover work around race pace work. Bottom two easy to steady, leaving the middle two to cover the gap in between.
SPR
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All the information you have, so HR in normal circumstances, Perceived effort etc.
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Bowman
Thanks SPR, i'll give it a go :)
Nov 2021
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Mr. Grumpy
SPR - How do your own zones relate to % of your max HR?
I only ask because the zones on my Polar device aren’t adjustable, only the min and max HR is, and then the five zones are set as 10% increments downwards from the max.
My easy running is all in what would be your zone 3. I doubt whether I could even maintain a jog in zone 1.
I asked around on the Heart Rate thread earlier on in the year on a related subject, but didn’t really get into the nitty gritty of the zones.
The Polar device and platform that I use covers a wide range of activities, so I’m just wondering whether this affects how the zones are set out.
SPR
Nov 2021
5:42pm, 3 Nov 2021
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Grumpy - Your easy running is all 6-7mm? Or am I misunderstanding?

As I said previously, I don't HR train so don't look at zones really but a quick calculation using 200 MHR and 48 RHR gives me 139 for 60% HRR and 154 for 70% HRR.

Based on beats per mile of 1150 70% would be about 7:30. 7:00 based on that would be just over 75%.

Think it's clear from my average pace though that I'm not going out and pushing the limits of any pace bands that I might use for analysis.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com
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