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Big Al Widepants
Big Al Widepants
Aug 2009
2:04pm, 11 Aug 2009
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I do Hadd training - have been doing it since 7th Feb. It involves higher mileage and I do three types of run:

Recovery - around 63% - Mondays, Wednesdays, Saturdays
Easy - 70% - Thursdays, Sunday long run
LT - 77%- Tuesday and Friday

I try to do at least 1 hour a day and two once a week. Now that I'm marathon training, I've swapped the Friday session for an MP run - trying to increase the length of time I do at MP. I have also gradually increased the time I do the long run for from two hours to three, but interspersing with alternate two hour long runs.

You can increase your volume by extending the recovery runs. I am doing about 65-70 miles a week but if you were quicker than I am you would be doing more obviously.
Boab
Boab
Aug 2009
2:34pm, 11 Aug 2009
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Hadd also has no concept of WHR and all the stats in the 'long thread' are based on MaxHR. His methods are for base training only and are like Big Al essentially 3 levels of training,

1) 70% of MaxHR (recovery)
2) 75% of MaxHR (general)
3) 80% of MaxHR (just sub LT)

These levels are all pretty easy running, when starting off 70% of maxHR will feel incredibly slow, but as time progresses and the pace for each level improves it becomes less easy.

For marathon training, Hadd reckons that once the base is there you can move to running at 85-90% of Max HR, this will be what Big Al is calling his MP runs. You have to put the mileage in though, in the long thread his 2:25 marathoner was averaging about 85 miles a week with a peak of 105. But since the emphasis is on the time on feet rather than the miles the actual mileage is irrelevant.
Siouxsie
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2:36pm, 11 Aug 2009
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What a clear explanation that is, Boab. Thanks.
SPR™
SPR™
Aug 2009
3:47pm, 11 Aug 2009
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Boab, you might the interested in another thread he did on Letsrun later on. This one was more a discussion with him and someone else (another coach?).
Boab
Boab
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3:58pm, 11 Aug 2009
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Show me the link SPR?
Big Al Widepants
Big Al Widepants
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4:02pm, 11 Aug 2009
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Yes, I'm interested too obv
Pammie
Pammie
Aug 2009
4:10pm, 11 Aug 2009
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Is it this?

letsrun.com
SPR™
SPR™
Aug 2009
4:19pm, 11 Aug 2009
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Yeah, thats it. Sorry never posted the link as I have it on my laptop at home and I am at work.
Boab
Boab
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4:37pm, 11 Aug 2009
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Ah, yes that thread, I have read it and others on Hadd training. I'm well aware that the 'big thread' was purely for aerobic endurance or his Phase I of training, after all he coaches middle to long distance track runners and you are not going to excel on the track without specific training. This is why I talk about marathon paced work, it is what both Big Al and I are targetting this year.
Personally I don't think HR training when running reps/intervals is that useful, they should be more guided by pace.
Bazoaxe
Bazoaxe
Aug 2009
8:57pm, 11 Aug 2009
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I am just back from hols in Turkey where I ran much slower than usual with higher HR due to the heat HR of about 150bpm ish.

Tonight I ran 10 miles with an HR of 113bpm avge which is well lower than I have ever recorded and I felt I was working hard, but the actual pace wasnt particularly quick.

Is my HRM playing up, or is this maybe due to me training in extrene conditions for 2 weeks ?

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Everything you need to know about training with a heart rate monitor. Remember the motto "I can maintain a fast pace over the race distance because I am an Endurance God". Mind the trap door....

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"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach
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