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Nov 2016
11:29am, 9 Nov 2016
1,033 posts
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StuHolmes
I find wetting my shirt in the area over the strap just before I head out works. If I don't do that I nearly always find the strap reporting my cadence rather than HR for the first km.
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Nov 2016
11:49am, 9 Nov 2016
4,986 posts
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daviec
Spit on strap for me. I never have any issues with the garmin chest strap.
15 miles at 75% today and saw a big leap in pace. Completely different compared to yesterday when sub LT felt a struggle. Averaged 7:42/mile with maybe a little drift in last mile and a half.
Everything trending in the right direction just now, so I'll just keep on doing what I'm doing. Might get in touching distance of 80 miles this week.
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Nov 2016
3:20pm, 9 Nov 2016
1,552 posts
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Westley
Nice progress DavieC. I recall Hadd working really well for you a couple years back and it looks like similar progress this time around.
I've had my Garmin HRM chest strap nine years now and it has always worked very reliably. Not keen on the wrist sensors based on what I've read here and elsewhere.
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Nov 2016
5:15pm, 9 Nov 2016
3,183 posts
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BS
Thought I'd try some of this Hadd training to see if I could start to enjoy running again. Been doing a few runs lately around 120bpm based on an old HR max of 180. Almost a last minute decision today to move on to the 2400 x various bpm but really struggled to get a high HR.
Found it really difficult to keep a steady HR mainly because I hadn't a track to work off, used the local lakes instead knowing it wouldn't be the best option.
Today's efforts after a mile warm up were,
c 140 = 9:50
c 150 = 9:39
c 160 = 9:22
c ??? = 9:18 couldn't get above 160.
Probably need to go back and work out my max HR. Also using the garmin 235 with the built in monitor.
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Nov 2016
6:12pm, 9 Nov 2016
55 posts
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Brunski
I'll try tightening the watch strap a bit thanks! I only managed about 50 minutes today, saw a bit of rubbish I. The HR data and then managed to bring it back under control to run just over 7 miles @ 7:10 per mile. Not sure I'll squeeze in my full 10 mile sub lactate threshold run tomorrow but might do 10k at lunch, then a further 6k home. Would that work if I pushed both them up to 155-160bpm?
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Nov 2016
6:20pm, 9 Nov 2016
56 posts
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Brunski
Just uploaded run from earlier, it wasn't over 7 miles it was more 6.5. Still happy with the pace at that HR. Interested to see how tomorrow goes now!
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Nov 2016
6:31pm, 9 Nov 2016
1,554 posts
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Westley
Brunski, I think, if I am interpreting Hadd correctly, you need to do the full ten miles in one session; the point is to monitor HR drift, with the lack thereof over ten miles or 75 minutes, being sign of progression. You'll not receive that feedback if you break the session up into two sessions.
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Nov 2016
6:44pm, 9 Nov 2016
58 posts
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Brunski
Yeah I think you're right Westley. I'm just not sure I'll get 65/70 minutes at lunch, so other option for me is to do it on the way home but living at the top of a mahoosive hill I'd have to do it and then find 15 mins more to get up the hills.
I'll see how work goes, I'm not doing HADD properly yet as still squeezing in the Parkruns, but managed to squeeze in a run most days for an hour at around 135-145 bpm and then a couple at higher rates.
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Nov 2016
11:38pm, 9 Nov 2016
1,350 posts
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Teknik
Brunski, the last link on the list is an interpretation of Hadd from someone who was actually trained by him. He suggests a much easier introduction of subLTs than banging out 10m from day one.
The relevant quote from page 2 is:
"Over the course of several weeks, the sessions at 160-166 bpm will progress something like this (all sessions with easy jog w/u and c/d, and 5-10 mins easy jog rest between work bits):
2 x 15
1 x 20-25
2 x 20
1 x 30
2 x 25
3 x 15
1 x 40-45
3 x 20
2 x 30
2 x 40
1 x 60
2 x 45
1 x 70-75
This is just a sample list. Some runners will be able to work to the top fairly quickly without hitting all these sessions, and some runners will need to spend more time working through.
When you've reached 60 minutes at this level without seeing pace fade toward the end while keeping HR under 166, you can start to introduce sessions at 164-170 bpm.
The process at this new level is exactly the same. Start with smaller session and work your way up, building toward the point where you have "locked in" pace at this effort and can run (effortlessly) at this HR at a constant pace.
Same again for 170-176 and 174-180, move up into those levels when you've "mastered" the lower levels, but not before."
You don't need to hit 10m at subLT (whatever level) from day one...
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Nov 2016
11:59pm, 9 Nov 2016
1,351 posts
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Teknik
...and btw, that 70-75 mins if you're peteq2 is 12 miles+ (...which I think is where daviec ends up).
So, forum, minutes or miles? 
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