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rf_fozzy Jan 2022 1:49pm, 14 Jan 2022 16,180 posts	Quote Pin rf_fozzy For example, I run a lot on Ilkley Moor. In the summer, I'll see groups of kids "walking" out (not just on the bit near Ilkley itself) and not with parents. Except they've all got their heads looking at a phone half the time and not around them at the moor. Mind you, it baffles me that kids will go to the cinema and spend the 2hours sitting playing on their phones watching YouTube and TikTok and Instagram. Maybe I am officially old now.
Fitz Jan 2022 2:34pm, 14 Jan 2022 2,538 posts	Quote Pin Fitz Ever so mildly off-topic but satnav in cars has been very detrimental to people's navigation skills and their ability to read road signs. Every day on the motorway I see brake-lights coming on predictably at the point where the drivers' sat-navs will be piping up "in two miles, take exit 21 on the left." Then I see last-second lane-swapping when people realise they're on the wrong bit of the slip road which is about to split into two different directions. All of the information you need is on massive blue-background signs beside and above the carriageway - LOOK! Plus the lost skills of actually knowing your way about; navigating around big towns by referring to junctions named after old pubs; and being able to figure out an alternative route if your preferred one is in a jam. I too am officially old.
rf_fozzy Jan 2022 2:54pm, 14 Jan 2022 16,193 posts	Quote Pin rf_fozzy Yes, I also meant to use the Sat Nav example too. I rarely use a sat nav - only occasionally when I have a limited knowledge of the area and a limited time to get there will I use one. And when I used it before Christmas, it took me such a stupid route with too many turns, I won't be rushing to use it again any time soon unless it's desperate.
Badger Jan 2022 3:26pm, 14 Jan 2022 14,646 posts	Quote Pin Badger The thing I really appreciate about my satnav is the junction lane assist, really quite helpful for the weirder junctions. Especially where there's a socking great overgrown tree in front of the junction. Wrong side of the slip road, though, suggests they have absolutely no idea how the roads join together, doesn't it? M25 to M3 always annoys me, though in that case it's mainly people driving up the lane for London bound traffic to cut in at the front of the queue for westbound traffic.
Fitz Jan 2022 3:59pm, 14 Jan 2022 2,539 posts	Quote Pin Fitz M25 clockwise to M11 is a favourite, desperate lane-swapping as people make the terrible choice between Stansted airport and That London. All of which is well-signed and obvious if you just look at the signs! The thing I really appreciate about my satnav is real time traffic info, it's saved me from big jams and long delays plenty of times.
quimby Jan 2022 12:07am, 15 Jan 2022 5,242 posts	Quote Pin quimby My satnav had me going the wrong way down Snake Pass on Monday, shrieking, "do a u-turn when possible". Hmm. I would say that, if I am looking at my OS Maps app on the phone, I do look at it fairly infrequently, and note where I am, so if I have to pull out the paper map I am not instantly lost. I also look at the contour lines. I will admit to sending a photo from up the top of a hill on Monday, so, if I did get lost, you would know my last whereabouts: next to that shifty looking grouse.
flanker Jan 2022 12:43am, 15 Jan 2022 20,270 posts	Quote Pin flanker Just to be different, I'd much rather use the paper map as the main nav aid, and either have the OS Maps app or get a grid ref from the watch as a backup if I want to confirm where I am. I enjoy the challenge of relating the environment to the map, although it's definitely a skill that rapidly withers without use. After spending lockdown on my local hills that I know pretty well, I really struggled using an OS Map again, especially relating distance travelled to the equivalent on the map. I didn't know there where specific orienteering nav courses that focus on finding where you are rather than the more typical where you are going training. I might enjoy one of those.
quimby Jan 2022 1:00am, 15 Jan 2022 5,245 posts	Quote Pin quimby My orienteering training taught me to turn the map to point where you were going, so the features on the map mimic what you are seeing on the ground. It's always made more sense to me, since you have a compass that tells you where North is. It can be a little more difficult with a full size OS map, though. Or car satnav.
flanker Jan 2022 1:45am, 15 Jan 2022 20,271 posts	Quote Pin flanker Definitely align the map with direction of travel, but also keep north on the map aligned with north on the compass. If you can't do both, then you're not where you think you are I prefer to work off printouts, then i can fold them to a few inches square and thumb the route.
rf_fozzy Jan 2022 7:57am, 15 Jan 2022 16,210 posts	Quote Pin rf_fozzy Flanker - there aren't really. Unless someone is doing something specific. But orienteering (unless you're perfect 😂) does teach you relocation. Mainly through practice! Although I have done specific relocation drills before too. Usually in pairs, one puts their map away, then the other has to work out where they've been taken - both location and route. We did it at graythwaite, so good tough lake District forest. But you use all the skills at most orienteering events - hence why I do it regularly - it keeps the skills fresh. You're in PFO land out where you are: pfo.org.uk and you've got EPOC who will organise some events down the valley towards Halifax: eastpennineoc.org.uk