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57.5 Degrees of Pain Feb 2014 8:09pm, 17 Feb 2014 1,268 posts	Quote Pin 57.5 Degrees of Pain I do wonder why the debate on Scotland in Europe does not instead focus on whether there would be any chance of an EU referendum in RestOUK (© Happy G) not voting to leave. One empty seat at the table, one compliant and less eurosceptic young country to take the place...
Jambomo Feb 2014 8:15pm, 17 Feb 2014 4,194 posts	Quote Pin Jambomo I had a similar discussion with some English Rugby fans from Durham, on a train to Edinburgh Waverley after the recent Scotland v England game. They asked us how we would vote and when we said we were voting yes they said they couldn't blame us and they had hopes that if we were successful, the North might feel some benefits from a stronger centre of oower closer to them. I think this was also a similar argument to one put forward in a paper to North of England councils - to look for the opportunities in this for them. I really hope there will be some. I think though, that although the way the people I spoke to and the ones you spoke to 57 degrees, have different outlooks on it they lead to the same conclusions - people are not happy with the current political system and centralised power in the South. Regardless of the independence question, the political structures in this country do not work and end up not representing the interests of much of the country. How can we change this when there is no difference now between the political parties and the voting majority are happily being looked after in the South?
Jambomo Feb 2014 8:16pm, 17 Feb 2014 4,195 posts	Quote Pin Jambomo Oops, the thread moved on too quickly!
jono Feb 2014 8:24pm, 17 Feb 2014 14,780 posts	Quote Pin jono thats another thing I'd vote against - leaving the EU - Utter sillyness
flip Feb 2014 9:17pm, 17 Feb 2014 5,825 posts	Quote Pin flip I wonder if the border of Scotland was in Kent and not Cumbria and Northumberland they would so readily insist on the devastation not having monetary union. will have for the massive cross border trade .? not a chance . I've followed this for a while and it's clear there are so many uncertainties and it's definitely risk for Scotland because of that. and it will be tough . BUT I've come to the conclusion it's a risk worth taking .
IanS Feb 2014 9:26pm, 17 Feb 2014 1,607 posts	Quote Pin IanS You just want a foreign stamp on your passport every time you come over the border Flip
santababy Feb 2014 9:32pm, 17 Feb 2014 70,151 posts	Quote Pin santababy Another notch on his post 😄😛
Boab Feb 2014 9:33pm, 17 Feb 2014 7,473 posts	Quote Pin Boab Cheers for the links earlier Davie, this one is particularly interesting. businessforscotland.co.uk A question I have is, who decides what are Scottish waters? there is a large portion of the site dedicated to tidal power, oil exploration, wind power etc. Who will it belong to? Another one is the slant to blame westminster as if all decisions have been political. Take the 'bock by westminster for west coast oil exploration'. It seems that was an MoD decision during the cold war and it seems for good reason too. All it not as it seems on the business for scotland web site, however, a lot of it makes interesing reading.
daviec Feb 2014 10:11pm, 17 Feb 2014 3,726 posts	Quote Pin daviec Good question Boab. There's international precedence for what is Scottish waters and what isn't. news.bbcimg.co.uk Craig Murray is an expert on drawing up maritime boundaries, but it's clear cut. craigmurray.org.uk It is a political reason for no west coast exploration. Yes the reason may have been valid years ago, but why do we have trident (IMO redundant), when we could have a west coast oil industry and looking forward a nationwide renewable industry around our coastline? To continue on the political slant of that, the SG pledged to have us reliant on renewables only by 2020, but the UKG took back the devolved powers on renewables because it is a threat to the nuclear/fracking policies they are following down south.
IanS Feb 2014 11:27pm, 17 Feb 2014 1,608 posts	Quote Pin IanS The Craig Murray link was very interesting, and may well be completely correct, but I would take it more seriously if he hadn't referred to the "Scottish traitor Donald Dewar" Dewar might have been many things, but he was also one of the primary architects of devolution without which there wouldn't be this whole debate in the first place!