Sub 3Hr Marathon
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Jan 2015
2:57pm, 9 Jan 2015
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Psimon
I am not sure that the article does contradict P&D. For example - 'Stamina training–workouts designed to increase the pace at your lactate threshold–can result in faster racing and be performed more frequently than speed training without as much risk of overtraining. The classic stamina workout is the 30- to 40-minute tempo run, a medium-hard effort at your 1-hour race pace.' The article is referring to speed work as that which is run at Vo2 Max, this would be efforts such as 8 x 800m at 3k race pace. Additionally when embarking upon the P&D 55 mile per week schedule, then the assumption would be some base training has been completed before starting.
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Jan 2015
2:59pm, 9 Jan 2015
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Iampecunia1501
Understood. Thanks Psi.
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Jan 2015
3:01pm, 9 Jan 2015
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Psimon
MPH, I think just for maintaining fitness one still needs to vary pace. This avoids stagnation and mental burnout. To that end I always try and get at least one Tempo session in a week, irrespective of whether I am racing or not. The Tempo session would be at my current 1 hour race pace (a pace I can hold for 10 miles), so not as taxing as an Interval workout and working different energy systems.
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Jan 2015
3:02pm, 9 Jan 2015
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Psimon
Also as I get older I just can't seem to recover from Intervals a well as I could.
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Jan 2015
3:13pm, 9 Jan 2015
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MPH
Cheers Si, I have a big year planned, nothing especially to peak for, so will favour the tempo or cruise intervals (tempo for the wimps!) each week, with strides and some intervals in the 4 weeks leading up to each race, sounds so simple 
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Jan 2015
3:25pm, 9 Jan 2015
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Iampecunia1501
MPH I believe taking time out to self massage, foam roll and do core work is essential as highlighted by the interview with Rob Watson (2:13:37 marathon PB) on Marathon Talk.
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Jan 2015
3:34pm, 9 Jan 2015
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HappyG(rrr)
Psimon, I think the rule for me is "it's different for elites". Someone who is capable of a 2:16 marathon and how they react to training to allow them to also perform in a 100km, is just a different species from me and my barely scrape a 2:57. It's not comparable. I would take 100 folk around 2:45 to 3:45 marathon and say that most of them would perform less well in their next marathon, if they were also trying to train for 50-100 mile ultras. Marigold is different, special if you will! G
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Jan 2015
3:34pm, 9 Jan 2015
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tom_craggs
I agree with PS - I would have a session focused on anaerobic threshold development each week. Might not always be a tempo run for me (though it is at the moment) but also threshold intervals (cruise intervals some call them) in longer blocks with shorter recovery and shorter progression runs of 15/15/15 or 20/20/20 (mins - easy/steady/threshold) or classic 'out and back' type runs....they are different approaches but cover much of the same development. This may be of interest to some and I think and important read if you work with athletes in anyway, a very common and not talked about enough issue often with faster runners (male and female) - minneapolisrunning.com |
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Jan 2015
3:48pm, 9 Jan 2015
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Psimon
HappyG, I am in agreement with you, and was not intending to be provocative.
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Jan 2015
3:59pm, 9 Jan 2015
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tom_craggs
HappyG - I do agree with you - good mate of mine Simon Freeman and I went for a run the other day and we were chattign about a few runners who had asked him how he managed to run 2.37 given their much better 5km-10km and even HM PBs....his opinion, and I agree, was focus - setting one goal. The marathon, and training for that in a highly specific, dedicated way to get the very best he could at that event, sacrificing in other areas most likely. I think few runners really do this. They set marathons as a goal and but still expect to PB at every other distance, or train for an ultra and expect marathon PBs. It is possible, but for me for marathon training IS different to ultra training and for most, with a few exceptions, your best marathon will not be run if you are training really well for an ultra. I don't think it is that different for elites to be honest, Steve, Paul and a few others might be exceptions, but they are that. |
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