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Polarized training

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Aug 2020
10:34am, 11 Aug 2020
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Chrisull
Running in heat...

to adapt to it, run shorter/easier, but do run often (every day)The adaptations will occur within 2 weeks, you will sweat more and earlier, but you will lose less salt as the composition of your sweat changes.

Also one study, jump in a hot bath afterwards - 5-6 days running. In this study runners improved their 5k times by average 4.9%. Induces earlier sweating and body will maintain a lower core temp. mysportscience.com
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Gobi
Nice - I did 12.5 yesterday afternoon in low Zone 2 and came home to a hot bath :¬)
J2R
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Gobi, I disagree. There is inevitably a difference in e.g. pounding impact on your muscles from running 7:00 pace as against 7:30 pace, even if your heart rate is the same because of difference in temperature. Nonetheless, as I said, I believe you need to keep HR the same, so if you're used to running at 130bpm, on a 30C day run at whatever pace gives you the same HR.

I wish I knew what my HR was yesterday evening. My club did a socially-distanced time trial on an undulating local parkrun course, which I would normally do in 18:30-18:45 (although the best time I've done is 18:02, and I have no idea how that came about because I've been nowhere near since!). Because there was a competition to see who could get closest to their predicted times, we didn't run with watches. I surprised myself by running 19:11 (I didn't push myself super-hard because of the heat), but my HR must surely have been close to my HRmax by the end.
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J2R - and it is your right. I have learned to leave it at that :¬)
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However, when you run faster you spend less time in contact with the ground. So more impact but for a lesser period of time.
J2R
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Chrisull, presumably the adaptation to heat is only partial? 30C is surely too hot for anyone who has spent their life in this country to run at their best, however well they adapt?
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Chrisull
Yes - entirely and I think the initial 5k times were taken in the heat, so it wasn't a case of here's your pb, now do this for 5 days and you beat your pb. Also the adaptations don't last long either :-(.
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I generally have raced well in heat up to 5000m, I suffered in when I did a 10000m race though.
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Yes, SPR, if you look at figures for optimum temperatures for running different distances, the short sprint ones are pretty high, going steadily down to around 10C, IIRC, for marathon distance. I think 5000m would find me out, but I could maybe cope with the shorter distances. There was a local track 3000m here last Friday which I should have entered but didn't, and the fast guys there ran times like 8:50, which is pretty good for what must have been 30C. I will be doing 1500m on track on the evening of the 21st, so maybe I'll find out then, if the temperatures stay high.
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Hills of Death (HOD)
I had slowed it down in this heat the HR was at least 5-10 beats higher. What percentage of Zone 3 and above does everyone do ?

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com
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