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Caterpillar
Caterpillar
Jul 2007
3:11pm, 25 Jul 2007
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So Mr Cynical Caterpillar has put his money where his mouth is and bought a book written by Joe Friel who claims to have invented heart rate training 20 years ago - long before it became trendy.

www2.trainingbible.com

My verdict...? Well I had hoped to read something scientific to justify the hype about heart rate training, but it's pretty obvious that Joe Friel knows diddly squat. The early chapter about cardiac physiology is woeful. No mention of lungs (FEV1 or VO2max), peripheral resistance, capillary responses to hypoxia, inotropic or chronotropic effects, cardiac histology or biochemistry, coronary arteries, unstable membrane potentials spontaneous depolarisation, and calcium channels, and the description of the innervation of the heart reduces the bundles of His and the Purkinje fibres to "a network of nerves." Yep that's the limit of his knowledge.

OK, so Joe Firel knows nothing, but supplies us with loads of invented metrics like AeT, and LT, and RPE, and dozens of tables and recommended training routines. This is not to say that Heart Rate Training is actually wrong. It's just to say that Joe Friel is incapable of explaining it to me, but probably quite canny enough to bamboozle someone into buying his book. D'oh!

So can someone who has maybe O-level biology explain the scientific basis for getting everyone to rush out and buy a heart rate monitor? :-)

I'm trying to be open minded but I'm keeping the wallet closed for now.
Hendo
Hendo
Jul 2007
3:14pm, 25 Jul 2007
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Do a google search for Hadd, Cat
Hendo
Hendo
Jul 2007
3:15pm, 25 Jul 2007
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More specifically, "Hadd's approach to distance training"
Mykey
Mykey
Jul 2007
6:33pm, 25 Jul 2007
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Cat-Another book you could try that explain the science behind it is 'Heart Rate Monitor Guidebook to Heart Zone Training' by Sally Edwards. While I can't give the book my personal support a reviewer on Amazon wrote:

As a fitness professional for 10 years, I have tried to find a book that explains heart rate training as thoroughly and as understandable as this book. I have 10 fitness instructors who work for me and this book is a required book. The descriptions are informative and easy to read and more importantly, easy to understand.

If you don't want to fork out have you had a look in the local library? If it's not there you could always ask them to order it...
hellen
hellen
Jul 2007
8:24pm, 25 Jul 2007
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just back from a weeks holiday in tunisia where I have to admit I broke the rules big time. It was really hot so the only time to run was before breakfast which I did on 5 mornings. Even then it was hotter than FLM so decided to ignore HR. I tended to do around 4.5 miles, Av WHR was below 70% on only the last day. My pace for the runs was 10.xx/mile so my legs were only going at the same pace as a 70% run at home but my heart was working harder. Dont feel too bad about it but am sure elbee and Ian will repremand me!!!

Lums, go on, you know you want to do luton!!
Jul 2007
8:44pm, 25 Jul 2007
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Nice to hear you had a great holiday Hellen. Oh yes, forget the pace, it's the HR that matters but then, you know that. :-) Difficult in hot weather I know but not impossible to stick to < 70%WHR. BUT you were on holiday! :-)

A65, how did you feel at 87%WHR?? If the answer is 'not really, really knackered' tehn I suspect teh HRM is faulty in some way... How far did you run?
Girlie
Girlie
Jul 2007
8:58pm, 25 Jul 2007
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Just done 10 mins on the treadmill avg HR 143( 66%) max 158( 77%) Not really sure of distance think it was just over half mile.

Mainly a test to gauge how to run on the bliddy thing. Think I know now, so can use it properly in a couple of days time.
Hendo
Hendo
Jul 2007
9:50pm, 25 Jul 2007
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You're not listening are you A65?

Go and sit on the naughty step young man....

8 miles for me tonight, 69%, 9:29 pace, very very windy and a leeetle bit wet.
hellen
hellen
Jul 2007
9:56pm, 25 Jul 2007
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so ian, does that mean I have permission to break parkers rules when on holiday?!!!
Jul 2007
10:00pm, 25 Jul 2007
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No not really Hellen but I was trying to make you feel a bit better about yourself :-)

About This Thread

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Everything you need to know about training with a heart rate monitor. Remember the motto "I can maintain a fast pace over the race distance because I am an Endurance God". Mind the trap door....

Gobi lurks here, but for his advice you must first speak his name. Ask and you shall receive.

A quote:

"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach
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