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Apr 2017
5:59pm, 3 Apr 2017
11,751 posts
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Fenland (Fenners) Runner
We are all different 'easy' running doesn't benefit Chris but for me high(er) volume slow running is totally amazing.
I've been out on the fells yesterday and tonight and never been as strong going uphill but also descending.
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Apr 2017
6:41pm, 3 Apr 2017
11,035 posts
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Bazoaxe
I dont log walking
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Apr 2017
7:38pm, 3 Apr 2017
572 posts
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Daz Love
I know this is not helpful as not sure on my max.
Always thought it was 197 however I managed a near sprint finish for the last 300m of a 20 miler yesterday and it showed at 198 (I use a Garmin chest strap)
It also showed my average for a 20 miler was 90.4% (based on the new max of 198) That seems too high for a 20 mile race.
What would people think a typical avg HR be for a 20 mile race?
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Apr 2017
8:01pm, 3 Apr 2017
348 posts
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J2R
I would think your real maximum heart rate must be somewhat higher than 198. Although you can get close to your MHR in the finishing sprint of a race, tiredness tends to prevent you from getting as high as you might. This is true of a 5K race and I would think it was far more so in the case of a 20 mile race.
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Apr 2017
10:24pm, 3 Apr 2017
10,775 posts
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Chrisull
I don't log walking either but (and this is why I posed the question in polarised training first)... if I'm looking for a 80-20 or 90-10 ratio (as opposed to a 60-40 or 70-30) of easy to hard, then my question is, does walking count as part of that?
I think J2R is right, and therefore it has to be considered as such. Dog walking is brisk - he drags for England! I might not go 12-13 minute pace - But crucially, there is plenty of uphill - I have no flat here within 2 miles barring the odd hilltop (well 100m in front of my house), and if my HR is 125 when walking up hill at an average pace, and 129 when running at sub 10 minutes (on the hills).
Fenners - I know we're all different, but I also know what I was taught on my coaching course by elite UK coaches - and that was ALL training conducted below a certain level was sub-optimal. If I'd have argued differently (I wouldn't dare they were openly derisive of training all in one band), I would have needed some strong evidence to put to them.
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Apr 2017
10:44pm, 3 Apr 2017
23,741 posts
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SPR
Getting a benefit doesn't mean it's optimal. I think most are clear that 100% easy running is not optimal especially if you're running quite a few miles a week.
I don't think this applies to FR, but also if you run parkrun weekly, you training isn't all easy running.
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Apr 2017
10:51pm, 3 Apr 2017
23,742 posts
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SPR
I presume you've upped your mileage FR?
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Apr 2017
10:21am, 4 Apr 2017
6,043 posts
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paul the builder
This thread is about "HR training" but that doesn't mean it's all about training the heart itself. I would have thought walking at (say) 120bpm will have some heart and lungs benefit, in a very similar way to an easy run at a similar HR. *But* it's not all about the heart and lungs (obviously). Muscles, tendons, blood vessel development to running-specific areas.
Elliptical, or cycling, at 120bpm is probably good for running in the same way as walking at 120bpm. i.e. a bit, but clearly not as much as running is.
Daz - that HR data looks solid and free from noise or spikes, so 'm inclined to believe it to be real (either it's real, or it's *all* wrong). I'm surprised though that you've never seen a higher HR than what you could manage at the end of a 20m run (even if it was a race). Have you not got a lot of data? Ever done hard hillwork, or a 5km, wearing the HRM?
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Apr 2017
10:31am, 4 Apr 2017
573 posts
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Daz Love
Paul - I only started to wear my strap regular following injury last year (as a way to track progress) I did wear in one 5k last Aug and see 197 at the end (dare I say I was quite controlled though as first 'race' back) but have not done any tough hillwork, a lot of my running has been more controlled since the return!
I guess I would need to do a tough hill session to really see.
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Apr 2017
10:32am, 4 Apr 2017
11,755 posts
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Fenland (Fenners) Runner
SPR, four months of 200 miles + per month. One marathon first weekend in January, plus two parkruns consecutive weeks.
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