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Feb 2012
12:59pm, 16 Feb 2012
10,991 posts
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DeeGee
What's your plan for Brighton, Johnny? Huge PB?
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Feb 2012
1:00pm, 16 Feb 2012
1,807 posts
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TripletDad
In 2009 I ran the Edinburgh to North Berwick 20, just coming in under the 3 1/2 hour cutoff, I ran the Edinburgh Marathon 3 weeks later and had a poor run. That was an extremely hot day though wth water shortages so no idea if I left a good performance out on the road at the 20.
In 2010 I did it again and ran a fast (for me) 3:07 at the 20 miler and struggled again at the marathon 3 weeks later.
Last year I purposely didn't run the 20 and had a great run at Edinburgh, PB'ing by 35 minutes.
All of this is specific to me of course and my general fitness was much improved last year so I may have run well at the marathon anyway.
I'm signed up for both again this year but I'm planning on doing the 20 as an LSR rather than racing it.
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Feb 2012
1:03pm, 16 Feb 2012
462 posts
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MudMeanderer
I've never ran one myself, but recall a comment from an acquaintance who suggested he valued racing a fairly hard (MPish) 20miler about 5-6 weeks out (I think) as a good psychological boost in marathon training. Alas I don't know what his times were like then, and whether he still does so - he seems to run and win marathons in training for target marathons now!
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Feb 2012
1:07pm, 16 Feb 2012
46,406 posts
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Gobi
With my athlete head on I would never race a 20 miler, why leave a good marathon on the road somewhere at a distance nobody truly gives a shit about?
As a coach
Session as follows
5 miles @ MP + 60-90( time to get loose so start close to 90 and work down)
5 miles @ MP + 45-60
5 miles @ MP + 30-45
4 miles @ MP
1 mile however you like
1 mile cool down
The 1 mile cool down came into force as I discovered coaching nobody wants to back off at 19miles and look like they have blown up so we invented the go race the last mile and then do a cool down rule
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Feb 2012
1:10pm, 16 Feb 2012
10,992 posts
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DeeGee
I was thinking something along those lines for myself, oh Dark One. Most of my LSR stuff has accidentally got progressive, so I know I can probably do something like that.
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Feb 2012
1:12pm, 16 Feb 2012
11,566 posts
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JohnnyO
Thanks Gobi, thats very useful. It will be a PB anyway as I have never done a 20 before.
Dee Gee- I always plan for a huge PB, just don't always get one  I just hope to get closer to the times that my shorter races indicate that I should be able to achieve, if that makes any sense.
And  , yes Wilmslow, do you want a lift?
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Feb 2012
1:13pm, 16 Feb 2012
10,993 posts
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DeeGee
That's a shame, 'cause I'm aiming for your current PB and was going to suggest we make a bus.
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Feb 2012
1:14pm, 16 Feb 2012
1,658 posts
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ndellar
I've just typed in a whole load of stuff, and deleted it all - to summarize Gobi is right. I know this because I've been there and done it the "run races too quick" way and it was miserable.
20 milers tend to get saved for a change of scenery and some sort of mission as above ^^^
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Feb 2012
1:14pm, 16 Feb 2012
2,944 posts
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Mr. K.
I`ve tried Gobi`s 20M plan before - it`s great. One of the best bits of advice I have been given.
20 milers are great so much you can do with them.
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Feb 2012
1:16pm, 16 Feb 2012
46,482 posts
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Puddington
I'm not doing it this year. Forgot about entering it, actually. I doubt I could fit it in now, realistically.
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