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22 Jan
10:19am, 22 Jan 2019
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Chrisull
Ta Bazo and G. Makes sense, so I'm not upending orthodoxy at all, kind of reinforcing it :-). Yes HR does go up on hills, but by smaller amounts , and takes less time to come down again. I suppose the key is knowing at one point you need change, or which program is likely to benefit. As my target race is at beginning of March, it's not the worst time to be seeing such improvements and stepping it up.
22 Jan
10:22am, 22 Jan 2019
30179 posts
HappyG(rrr)
All sounds positive Chris, I think you've possibly just taken one of those steps up that we sometimes see, in the non-linear progression of fitness and performance. Bodes well. :-) G
22 Jan
12:32pm, 22 Jan 2019
13958 posts
Bazoaxe
HADD only has 2 of those runs a week so you did break the rule slightly
J2R
23 Jan
2:28pm, 23 Jan 2019
1789 posts
J2R
Interesting, although perhaps unsurprising, observation about the effect of alcohol on heart rate last night. I jogged just over a mile to the pub, where I drank a lot more than I normally would - 3 pints of 4.3% alcohol cider, in fact. On the way back, running at pretty well the same pace, my heart rate was 12bpm higher! (Lesson learned - don't have 3 pints of cider immediately before an important race).
23 Jan
5:58pm, 23 Jan 2019
17119 posts
Dvorak
I think even "enthusiasts" would normally rule that out, J2R ;-) ok before a Cat C race then. Maybe the increase was down to the extra weight?
J2R
24 Jan
12:05pm, 24 Jan 2019
1791 posts
J2R
Yes, there was definitely more weight. More likely just my body trying to process something it sees as a poison, though! :)

Chrisull, I found your observations very interesting. I have to say that I find that I occasionally need to do a period of faster stamina building stuff - maybe a series of 10K races, or a couple of fast finish long runs, to take my fitness up to another level. I don't think I'd be wanting to do it week in, week out, though.

I would love to get a definitive answer, for myself, as to whether I gain more fitness long term from doing my easy runs at the top end of the easy band (getting on for 80%) than from something more like 65-70%. Never been able to say for certain. Having said that, assuming that training in the 80% area allows as good a recovery as 70% (which is the key question), then the obvious advantage of doing so is that you cover more miles in the same training time, and mileage is beneficial.

The whole question of heart rate and perceived effort is a curiously awkward one to get a clear picture of. I often go on respiration instead of HR as a marker for zone boundaries, but a couple of days ago I was running with my usual 'easy' 3 steps breathing in, 3 steps breathing out pattern, but rather faster than usual, and noticed my HR was 155, which is something like 88% of my HRmax. I have no idea what this means, but it seems odd.

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Everything you need to know about training with a heart rate monitor. Remember the motto "I can maintain a fast pace over the race distance because I am an Endurance God". Mind the trap door....

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A quote:

"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach

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