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May 2018
9:52am, 6 May 2018
12,626 posts
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Chrisull
Deslauriers - I agree Corbyn is useless as a leader. I saw Cooper mangle Rudd in the Commons Committee and Lammy destroy her in Parliament. Corbyn let May and Rudd win against him. However Cooper when she stood against Corbyn was useless in the Labour leadership elections. No clear vision, no differentiation to what went before. I didn't mind Ed M, but as leader he did worse than Corbyn and if he was in power now would still have done worse. Corbyn has shored up the barricades (electorally speaking) by bringing back some disgruntled voters, but can go no further. However a retreat to Macron/Blair style politics won't work either, that will alienate another part of the party. Labour have a problem, a fractured broad church. Also more centre leaning parts of the part have a habit of backing wars which are anathema to a lot of members like me. Voting to bomb Syria makes me recoil from Cooper. I do not back or agree with liberal interventionism, it has failed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, and has made no verifiable difference in Syria (mainly because the gesture bombing has been so half-hearted). The only times you could make a case are Sierra Leone and Bosnia. Even the latter was chancey and you have a very nationalistic Croatia whose football supporters like burning nazi emblems on pitches, bbc.co.uk and also like massacring Muslims, who were the good guys. Corbyn's strength (and weakness) has been cautious foreign policy positions (although at times he has shared platforms with totally repugnant regimes or individuals and really you wonder what he was thinking). It's difficult, as you say, and a incurious, binary worldview does not help matters. And unfortunately that's what a lot of his support does have. No easy answers. |
May 2018
11:08pm, 6 May 2018
17,963 posts
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DeeGee
The difference between Labour and the Tories, electorally, is that the Tories will do anything to ensure they get elected, even down to calling a ridiculous referendum. Labour members will do anything to support, unwaveringly, their own policies, even if that means the pay are unelectable. You can have the most noble policies in the world, but if you can't firm a government those policiers are useless. |
May 2018
10:27am, 27 May 2018
1,172 posts
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Tonybv9
Britain becomes a police state: gatestoneinstitute.org |
May 2018
11:27am, 27 May 2018
22,644 posts
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LazyDaisy
I hold no brief for Tommy Robinson, but a lot of this story makes me uneasy. I believe he was on licence so could be recalled to prison immediately? It is very worrying that reporting of the whole affair has been stifled.
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May 2018
12:07pm, 27 May 2018
12,806 posts
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Chrisull
Own goal by the government. I don't like Robinson (sorry Yaxley Lennon to give him his birth name), but if you're gonna bang him up, don't do it on technicalities that will only further heighten tensions and increase divisions. Same tactics were used against the left (and some greens) in the 70s-80s. I prefer the approach taken to Nick Griffin, let's debate his views on open forums - the BBC QT was like Waterloo for Nick Griffin and his party was pretty much obliterated after that. Actually the fictional "Homeland" recent series depicted a very similar scenario, where they try to arrest the right wing shock jock on fairly spurious grounds, only for it to lead to a Waco like stand off. Not suggesting anything like that will happen here, but the unintended consequences might end up bring nasty. |
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May 2018
1:46pm, 27 May 2018
1,950 posts
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Fellrunning
Has anyone actually looked up the Gatestone institute and/or Bruce Bawer?? Suggest you might like to and then make your own mind up.... |
May 2018
2:44pm, 27 May 2018
48,847 posts
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swittle
I did and I have.
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May 2018
3:49pm, 27 May 2018
1,514 posts
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stuart little
Chris: perhaps it's me being naive, but how is being sent to prison to serve his suspended sentence having broken the terms of that sentence a "technicality?" Surely that's exactly what's supposed to happen? The ban on reporting concerns me though |
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May 2018
4:01pm, 27 May 2018
1,951 posts
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Fellrunning
The ban pertains to the trial he was (allegedly) reporting on. No press coverage of Robinsons imprisonment is allowed until that trial is concluded.
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May 2018
4:34pm, 27 May 2018
1,515 posts
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stuart little
Thanks for clarifying that bit FR
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