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Sep 2017
10:55am, 18 Sep 2017
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Binks
I recall TB being interviewed before his first win. He said something like "not everything the Tories did was wrong, they have done some good things".

I thought that was pretty cool. I can't imagine either May or Corbyn saying that of each other today. it's so entrenched. You are 100% Blue or Red when in politics.

Similar entrenchment in the Brexit vote too.

You can still love the EU and want to remain AND believe that leaving won't cause the sky to fall in and that those doomy forecasts might be too harsh.

You can want to leave AND believe that the bus was a joke, the current team of negotiators are a joke and that it will cause some pain in places.

But everything has to be singular nowadays. Either the UK will be "committing suicide" or "jumping through the meadows having been freed from tyranny".
Sep 2017
10:58am, 18 Sep 2017
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ChrisHB
If you've paid careful attention to the House of Commons, or listened to "More or Less" last week, you'll know that Mrs May stated that a police officer who joined the Force in 2010 on a certain pay-scale and several other conditions and when you took into account the rise in the personal allowance has seen their pay increase by 32%.

What, apart from the mocking of the Police Federation, did she gain by making a statement so hedged around with conditions about the tiniest possible proportion of public servants? And since when has a change in the tax regime been a pay-rise?
Sep 2017
12:47pm, 18 Sep 2017
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Too Much Water
Shocking media reports about unacceptable abuse and threats made against MPs and (presumably) non-elected candidates of all parties. Seems particularly aimed at a) women and b) conservative MPs

Graffiti including swastikas, defacing and destroying posters, bomb, death and rape threats, windows smashed of homes and offices... plus all the social media stuff, if someone did this to my home or family I would want the police taking it more seriously than they appear to at present.
Sep 2017
12:55pm, 18 Sep 2017
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simbil
It's almost like people don't understand what a compromise is anymore.

Seems to be a common thought pattern that whatever wins in a democratic process is unquestionable and then should just be implemented regardless of trampling all over the x% that didn't want it. This is never what democracy was supposed to be.

It's odd that social media seems to have gone this way when so many hoped that more discussion would lead to more conversation, understanding and compromise. Instead it seems to lead to more places where people restate the same opinions and those opinions just harden and become intolerant.
Sep 2017
12:57pm, 18 Sep 2017
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ChrisHB
And yet a newly-elected PM still says they will govern in the interests of all and probably means it in that moment.
Sep 2017
1:09pm, 18 Sep 2017
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ThorntonRunner
I think there's a theory that on social media we tend to make connections to those with similar views to ourselves, which then leads to us only hearing that point of view and seeing it as the prevailing view - the exact opposite of what had been hoped for:(
Sep 2017
4:22pm, 18 Sep 2017
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Chrisull
TMW - not excusing it, it is appalling, but it's been going on since time immemorial, excrement through Labour candidates letter boxes in the 1940s etc etc. Just becuase it is so blatantly public now, doesn't mean idiots have been doing it for years, and unfortunately ALL sides (even supposedly wishy washy factions like the Lib Dems) have idiots capable of such nastiness.
Sep 2017
11:25am, 22 Sep 2017
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Chrisull
And forgot to mention, the abuse is particularly aimed at one Labour female mp, notably Diane Abbott, where nearly 50% of abuse (45.14% of messages and tweets) directed at mps during a 6 week period, was directed at her.

metro.co.uk

So nice to see TMW expressing sympathy for the hell that Diane has had to go through...
Sep 2017
12:24pm, 22 Sep 2017
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Too Much Water
Indeed, I have a lot of sympathy for the abuse Diane Abbott has suffered.

May I be so bold to suggest that it's a good job she wasn't calculating the percentages though....
Sep 2017
1:00pm, 22 Sep 2017
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Binks
DA did suffer a lot of unjustified abuse. No excuse for most of it.

However if you are standing on a platform (as most politicians are) and basically saying "I know what's best for you, better than you do and I will use laws to force my ideas" and then are unable to recall/perform a simple calculation I think the voting population are entitled to say "actually you are not fit for this position".

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