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Jul 2019
9:34pm, 19 Jul 2019
4,779 posts
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BanjoBax
Believe a better soft Brexit deal could have been agreed, and been more representative of the close result - suggest May's agenda was to control it all and try and appease the extremists in her party - rather than cooperate for the nation's good.
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Jul 2019
9:58pm, 19 Jul 2019
4,818 posts
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jda
No WS I don't think we should leave. But bear in mind that the reason we haven't left is nothing to do with people who want to remain, it is entirely due to MPs who claim they want to leave but who have actually voted against leaving three times in a row. When the people who want to leave, actually come up with a plan for leaving, perhaps we will make progress. Alternatively, maybe people will eventually realise that there isn't a plan that works. |
Jul 2019
11:30pm, 19 Jul 2019
26,956 posts
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macca 53
WS’ comments make it feel as though we are back in Feb/Mar again 😀. I suspect he will be right but perhaps March 2020 after another extension is staffed up the wall trying to make parliament agree on something (anything). We then have two years of slow realisation that it was just an illusion peddled by Cameron and followed by Johnson.
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Jul 2019
12:56pm, 20 Jul 2019
14,921 posts
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Chrisull
WS - caveat May's deal was as good as we were going to get with her red lines attached. There is no reason why we can't stay in the customs union and the common market, just the politicans can't be bothered to explain why that would be preferable because it's too complicated and too easily impugned as Brexit In Name Only.
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Jul 2019
2:56pm, 20 Jul 2019
4,780 posts
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BanjoBax
Chris - you've put more succinctly put what I was getting at, May's red lines to try and appease the hard Brexiteers in her party. The EU seem to be open to extension, if a technical solution to the border controls can be found, then the backstop can be removed from the deal which was the main stumbling block for May's deal passing. In reality we look a long way from any sort of technological border solution, and it seems likely any extension will not find one. Also as macca suggested - any additional time is unlikely to be used to plan constructively for a no deal contingency either. It seems there's no place for explanations, discussions or depth these days, it's the battle of the surface soundbites, panzers against the peashooters of rational debate. We can blame Thatcher for that too 
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Jul 2019
12:44pm, 21 Jul 2019
14,925 posts
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Chrisull
Noticed in a Times subheader: ● Up to six Tory MPs are in talks with the Liberal Democrats about defecting and leaving Johnson with no majority Believe it when I see it, BUT true that some Tories despise Johnson and this kind of explosion would certainly enhance their prospects of getting say a Cornish seat at the next election to try and take for the Lib Dems. Would force Johnson to call an immediate GE if that happens. Of course before that Queen could have to offer to Corbyn the chance to form a government first should Johnson government fall at the first. |
Jul 2019
1:13pm, 21 Jul 2019
14,978 posts
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Bazoaxe
The Times lead with a story saying a number of EU countries talking to BoJo in order to cut a new deal. Is is no deal threat maybe working and we have all underestimated him?
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Jul 2019
4:29pm, 21 Jul 2019
8,106 posts
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simbil
The EU position has always been that it will talk to a new leader. The subtext being a new leader might have different red lines and that could change everything. A no-deal exit is still not a credible threat and I don’t think it is being taken as one by the negotiators. |
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Jul 2019
5:05pm, 21 Jul 2019
14,930 posts
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Chrisull
When govt sources told Johnson in the event of a no deal, food was only the third priority he was "visibly shaken". Source Emily Maitlis and Sunday Times political editor. twitter.com It's not a game now is it? |
Jul 2019
5:22pm, 21 Jul 2019
2,146 posts
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J2R
When I read something like this, I immediately think, "OK, what's Johnson's game here?". There's no way he didn't know this stuff already. So presumably he now wants it to be known that he is alarmed by the likely consequences of No Deal.
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