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Jul 2019
1:18pm, 19 Jul 2019
32,097 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Yes Bazo. That's what I said too. My question was how does the will of parliament to prevent a No Deal Brexit prevail over the will of the new PM and his lackey govt? Jda, what do you mean collapse of govt? It has to be brought down either by a vote of no confidence or other mechanism. How can do we make that happen? |
Jul 2019
2:32pm, 19 Jul 2019
3,222 posts
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StuH
There is a majority against ALL options, current or not. That is the Pandora's box which that arsehole Cameron opened.
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Jul 2019
2:50pm, 19 Jul 2019
4,814 posts
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jda
HappyG, either a VONC or the govt just giving up and calling a GE after failing to get anything done. StuH, there is currently a majority against all options but that can easily change with a major party policy shift. Most of the tories and labour are obedient to their whips. In particular once labour come out clearly for a 2nd ref it would have a good chance of majority support (though there's still the question of what the leave option would actually be, since labour have been solidly against May's WA). Even Hammond is talking openly about another ref these days. Let's face it, the inability of anyone to come up with a supportable plan leaves them little option, even if they might not have realised it yet... |
Jul 2019
3:09pm, 19 Jul 2019
23,349 posts
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Wriggling Snake
So the problem with a 2nd ref hasn't changed. What's the question? As soon as a question is postulated I reckon you would find no single question will get the backing of parliament either. No Deal. |
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Jul 2019
3:13pm, 19 Jul 2019
4,816 posts
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jda
Obvious question is something like May's WA (versus remain) though the political declaration could be tweaked depending on the govt at the time the ref is actually agreed 
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Jul 2019
3:47pm, 19 Jul 2019
71 posts
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Neal
Wouldn't it need to be a two part referendum? First part say May Deal v No Deal, the winner then pitted against remain. |
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Jul 2019
3:49pm, 19 Jul 2019
72 posts
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Neal
I can see Johnson saying something along the lines of Parliament is getting in the way of what the people want, which is what he wants, so he is forcing Parliament to submit to the will of the people via a couple of referenda.
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Jul 2019
3:55pm, 19 Jul 2019
14,966 posts
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Bazoaxe
Is the first question not Do you still want to leave And the second is if the vote confirms we leave which option Mays deal (pr an alternative if we have one) or no deal. Presumably can be more than two options unless there is some kind of a ranking order where you whittle down the options and then one wind eventually. |
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Jul 2019
4:00pm, 19 Jul 2019
74 posts
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Neal
The problem with that is people who prefer an ordered withdrawal preferring to stay in rather than crash out. Hence the remainers having to choose which exit they would prefer if the majority want to leave. But there will probably always be a problem with the ordering if you think hard enough. |
Jul 2019
4:11pm, 19 Jul 2019
2,838 posts
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Raemond
I can imagine the question ending up being something utterly unhelpful like ' Do you want to leave the EU under the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement, yes/no' That way when the majority say No there's still an interminable debate to be had over whether that meant they don't want to leave at all or they want to leave under different/no deal terms. |
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