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Jul 2019
10:45pm, 18 Jul 2019
479 posts
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Deinonychus
The question of whether the EU will grant an extension if we ask for it is interesting. There are clearly voices (some quite influential) that say we’ve had enough time, and should be forced to make our minds up. But I think the prevailing view in Brussels is still that they don’t want us to leave, and so they’ll keep giving us an extension until either the EU hardliners become more vociferous or until we finally revoke Article 50.
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Jul 2019
10:13am, 19 Jul 2019
14,906 posts
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Chrisull
The incoming president Von Leyen is more open to further extensions than Juncker I believe. As for no deal inevitable? I think no Brexit equally as likely currently (and so do the punters at PaddyPower currently Andrew Adonis has been saying). Both could happen, neither would surprise me. Was heartened by 17 rebels for Tories yesterday (and 4 abstentions from Gauke, Clark, Stewart as 3 of them). That outnumber the Labour 11 or 12 stalwarts and still kills the Tory majority. Agree with larks, Hoey will vote for a Labour govt as she did last time, she has not indicated otherwise. Well spotted :-). The question isn't that could a vote be won, I think almost certainly would be so close to a no deal, more that would such a vote be allowed to take place? There is no way to force it. THAT is the key problem. |
Jul 2019
11:07am, 19 Jul 2019
32,095 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Chris, I said that months ago (exiting doesn't require a vote. Agreeing a deal in order to exit cleanly does. That's why it would have been so much better to have exit only possible if it was / required a law to enact. Then parliament would have to vote. But...) Everyone on here assured me that there were other ways parliament would force the govt to put something to parliament before a no-deal exit e.g. the Speaker would do something or other legislation would be blocked so gov't would be brought to a stand still or a private members bill or other instrument to force a vote etc. Does parliament really have no teeth?  G
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Jul 2019
11:10am, 19 Jul 2019
4,808 posts
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jda
In theory exiting just happens. In reality there is so much business to get through that it won't happen. As we've already seen with various amendments and motions, parliament has ways of getting things done. All roads lead to remain, still.
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Jul 2019
11:26am, 19 Jul 2019
26,952 posts
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macca 53
.....which could be Labour’s worst scenario, VOC leading to GE with a Labour minority government. Cue 5 years of Labour getting the blame for: Not leaving the EU Austerity policy and its results Flight of industry and investment Low investment levels Shortage of care workers Shortage of Drs and nurses in the NHS And on and on...... |
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Jul 2019
11:29am, 19 Jul 2019
4,810 posts
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jda
well they either want to get into power to address these issues or they don't!
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Jul 2019
11:32am, 19 Jul 2019
26,954 posts
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macca 53
My personal preference would be for a GE at the end of the parliament when hopefully some of the hopelessly tangled mess we are in will begin to be rationalised.
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Jul 2019
11:38am, 19 Jul 2019
32,096 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
GE and change of government is a secondary problem to a No Deal Brexit, surely? (actually, any Brexit in my book, but let's park that point and just agree that No Deal is the one that a majority of MPs don't want and that the public has not been consulted on - because at the time of the referendum it was all about how easy a deal would be.) Unless the GE is before Brexit and it's the way to stop it. A GE after Brexit is useless. Whoever is in is on a hiding to nothing and the country, esp the most vulnerable, suffer for a generation - 20 years of pain, 50 years (if ever) to fix it. |
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Jul 2019
11:47am, 19 Jul 2019
4,812 posts
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jda
There isn't an "after brexit", if it ever happens officially it will remain an ongoing black hole for decades while we argue over future relationship etc... Collapse of govt and GE with a promise of a referendum from Labour seems one of the most plausible pathways out of this mess at this point. That could leave the brexiters hopelessly split between tories and BP with both around 20% while Labour cleans up (with LD/SNP support for the ref legislation if nothing else). |
Jul 2019
12:20pm, 19 Jul 2019
14,964 posts
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Bazoaxe
HG. there is no majority in parliament for anything in relation to brexit. Actually that's wrong. There is a majority against all of the current options.
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