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Jun 2019
6:16pm, 20 Jun 2019
5,868 posts
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Dooogs
As a fellow qualified accountant, I'm living proof that it does not provide any guarantee of knowing what one is talking about. 
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Jun 2019
6:20pm, 20 Jun 2019
14,824 posts
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Chrisull
Stander's epitaph on here TL DR. Which is kind of the point I was making. Brexit is complex, no deal is complex. The civil servants are telling us what will happen next, in great depth, but most leavers can't be bothered to read. I am not demanding answers, I was just saying - here is a good set of reasons for why no deal is going to be horrible and probably has us on a worse deal than May's deal eventually. Please debate/disagree. But no, actually challenging someone with facts is like ganging up one them. It's like going to your doctor when he say you have cancer and outlines the different treatments and ops he/she could perform, and you go whatever too long to listen to, I'll discharge myself and take vitamin pills. Civil servants are experts in the field. They have made arguments which in the next few years will be proved correct. It will not end well for any of us. |
Jun 2019
6:27pm, 20 Jun 2019
8,081 posts
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simbil
Yep, 2 of the worst in the final. Couldn't have been much worse - maybe McVey vs Raab would be the absolute worst. Eynsham Red, whilst that is of course true, there are some fundamentals at play here that don't need any special qualifications or expertise to understand. We plan to leave the EU, who we have the best trade deal that there can be - free trade of goods *and* services. If we cannot negotiate the same deal with them once outside of the EU, we would need to find a load of trade elsewhere just to make up for any losses. The only win is if we get as good a deal as we already have and then make deals with others too that we would not have inherited by being in the EU. This is based on my simple understanding that more trade bring in more money for all concerned in the arrangement. |
Jun 2019
7:39pm, 20 Jun 2019
6,802 posts
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Too Much Water
So it’s the “smooth manager” versus the “personality”. We will see. I’d be in favour of empowering the civil servants who have the detailed subject matter expertise to find us a way to leave quickly. “It can’t be done” is not an acceptable answer. Their job is to find a way it can be done. If I gave that answer to my directors at work I’d be out of a job quickly. |
Jun 2019
7:43pm, 20 Jun 2019
3,399 posts
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run free
Just want to have a rant and hope this doesn't happen........but of course Boris Johnson is going to be the next PM.....it has been steered in that direction for the last couple of years. He will be doing a deal with the US to sell off the NHS because it is a black hole that needs fixing. The easiest way to fix it is to take up Trump's offer, somebody makes some money and the people pay for it. Trump likes Boris. Boris likes Trump...... so let's make Boris PM
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Jun 2019
7:48pm, 20 Jun 2019
2,725 posts
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Raemond
We keep saying things like 'that would be a breach of our obligations under international law' which tend to irritate the politicians. But nonetheless, we did find a way out: it's the withdrawal agreement. The politicians don't seem to like that either. |
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Jun 2019
8:06pm, 20 Jun 2019
8,082 posts
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simbil
Minister: we need to leave the EU by the end of the year Civil servant: sure, you’ll need to pass these laws and get these agreements and it will cost this much. Minister: I want to leave the EU, have no downsi Nobody is saying it can’t be done, they simply point out costs and they add offs, just like anyone would with their boss. |
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Jun 2019
8:07pm, 20 Jun 2019
8,083 posts
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simbil
There is a post hidden within the spelling errors etc above:)
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Jun 2019
8:25pm, 20 Jun 2019
2,117 posts
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J2R
TMW, why do you say that “It can’t be done” is not an acceptable answer. It seems to me to be a perfectly acceptable answer if you are asking for the impossible. Leaving quickly, with a deal which provides anything like what the Leave camp has been promising, is fundamentally impossible, which is why it hasn't happened yet (not because of Remainer civil servants, or people lacking faith). The only way of leaving quickly is by leaving without a deal, but that would be an utter disaster. There's no point whatsoever demanding that civil servants provide solutions to unrealisable briefs.
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Jun 2019
8:32pm, 20 Jun 2019
5,873 posts
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Dooogs
Assuming that DfE is broadly representative of the civil service overall, it's by no means a Remainer hotbed. I have plenty of hard Brexiteer colleagues, alas...
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