Polarized training

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J2R
Jul 2017
4:48pm, 24 Jul 2017
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J2R
What's brought about the change of mind, FR? And why the caveat? Is it because you think injury is more likely if the athlete goes straight to 20% hard?
Jul 2017
4:54pm, 24 Jul 2017
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Chrisull
Can I ask Fenners what prompted the volte face?

Interestingly , I found some interesting data pointing as to why people believe that breaching a particular HR zone, even by a couple of heartbeats per min negates a whole session.

I still don't agree with them, but I noticed on a 16 mile run yesterday, we took a short sharp 2 minute hill after 10 miles. Up until then I had purposefully kept my heart rate lowish. Here feeling quite strong, I took off after the head of our group, overtaking all others on the climb. After that, the rest of the run I felt crap/knackered for, and the last 6 miles were hard. At the end we did a very long steep 4 minute hill which I mildly attacked again. At the top I had to prop myself up on a post. So looking back at my HR, there was a very clear spike after the first hill at 164. Then on the second hill despite it feeling worse, my HR spiked at 163. Neither were full 100% efforts (or even close). However I do note that putting the HR up there definitely compromised the rest of my run. This can't be anything to do with cortisol either. Seem like higher HR efforts do have a tiring effect (well obviously), but even less than maximal ones can damage a run.

I notice that using polarised training, my same runs/same pace are run at 5 paces a beat lower than in the winter, which points to increasing fitness.
Jul 2017
5:45pm, 24 Jul 2017
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Fenland (Fenners) Runner
Couple of reasons, 1. I've noticed huge improvements by just increasing volume at low intensity with a very sparse sprinkling of fast(er) runner e.g. fastest mile time for 5 years. 2. A guy I work with is doing a PhD and very knowledgeable about all things running related and we were talking about muscle recruitment. To cut a long story short, I have a strong belief that some runners (definitely me before the last seven months) missed out a whole host of training benefits from low intensity running.
Jul 2017
7:53pm, 24 Jul 2017
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Kieren
Is polarized training only training easy (say zone 2) and alternating with hard (say sone 4/5) at an 80:20 ratio?

Or would alternating a measure of stress with 80% easy and 20% hard using something like TSB as a measure also be polarized training? Or should that just be called TSB training or something similar?

I've decided to try a few months with TSB and see how I go, although everything is easy at the moment as I'm working out a niggle

Jul 2017
8:20pm, 24 Jul 2017
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Canute
I have never used a numerical estimate of TSB to guide training, but I think that in principle TSB score might be useful way to adjust the ratio of high intensity to low intensity work in a polarised program. It seems to me that except for the period immediately surrounding a race, one should aim for a TSB that fluctuates around zero – falling a bit below zero (indicating mild fatigue) after each intense session and then recovering to slightly above zero (i.e. recovering freshness) during the subsequent easy sessions.

It is interesting to note that you were ‘dangerously’ fatigued in the final week of June and the first week of July. This would be expected to increase the risk of injury and might have contributed to the current ‘niggle’
Jul 2017
9:52pm, 24 Jul 2017
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Canute
On closer inspection of your data I can see that in the first three weeks of June, your training stress was mainly fluctuating between -10 and 0, and your fitness was increasing slowly but steadily. Perhaps this indicates that the aim to should be push yourself to -10 after hard sessions and then gradually move back towards -5 or even zero during the easy days. Nonetheless, whatever the precise prescription for the optimum target, it it is probably crucial to avoid moving into the deeply stressed state (lower than -20) a for any substantial period
Jul 2017
10:06pm, 24 Jul 2017
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Kieren
Oh I should have clarified, all the running has been easy. The graph takes data from strava (stravistiX google chrome plugin) and those over training troughs are strange in my opinion, perhaps due to heat / humidity in both counts? so perhaps I can't use the graph as a benchmark at least is temperature varies wildly?

The first is a 8.5km run I did in Washington. It was at about 10 minute mile pace with a few stops to take pictures, read signs, talk to other tourist runners. Despite being slow and easy, humidity was 87% and I think about 24 degrees so heart rate elevated for heat.

The other one was "Soul Cycle" spin. That is stationary bike spinning and although fun, not a very effective workout in my opinion. The rooms are always warm so you sweat buckets. I think for the inexperienced, dripping with sweat = a great workout. I did push hard in the class but no where near the effort levels I would push cycling to work or a dedicated sufferfest spin session.

My niggle seems related to a tight soleus. I thought it was my shoes but everytime I run with tight calves I come back with a tender shin. I think I need to get back in a stretching and foam rolling routine.
Jul 2017
10:46pm, 24 Jul 2017
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Canute
That is interesting.

It think it demonstrates that HR alone might not be reliable enough as an index of stress.

In the past when I have been training systematically in preparation for a race, I have used a more flexible measure of training stress. I used resting HR, resting HRV, HR during sub-maximal exercise and subjective feeling of well-being to provide a composite indication of stress. When several of these measures indicated excess stress, I omitted a hard session.

I did not measure all of these variables every day, though I did measure them all fairly regularly to provide an ongoing baseline. Whenever subjective feeling of well-being decreased appreciably, I performed the HR and HRV measurement to seek confirmation of stress level
Jul 2017
10:51pm, 24 Jul 2017
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Kieren
Also, missed your 2nd update whilst I was typing mine.

According to the graph, I am only maintaining fitness for July which is fine by me so far as running until I loosen up and the niggle goes. Hopefully by 2nd week of August the legs will be ready to add a little more volume and a little more intensity.
Jul 2017
10:56pm, 24 Jul 2017
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Kieren
Oh and again!

I agree - based on "feel" I think the graph is off.

I don't use HRV any more as I found my results were never consistent even if triple checking one ofter another to try and take an average.

However, years ago I beta tested for polar and that watch took resting heart rate every morning go decide recovery / training intensity. The HRM was capable of HRV but I have no idea if it used that to score. I doubt it as it was 2006 and I'm not sure if HRV had transcended to domestic use then. However, daily resting HR was a good indication.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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