The Sub 3:15 Marathon Thread
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Oct 2018
3:52pm, 22 Oct 2018
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HappyG(rrr)
Zones was wrong terminology SPR. I meant HR for pace (that Hadd fitness re-assessment). If you're a sprinter, you must do some fairly intense intervals stuff, surely? Nothing like that in P&D (or any marathon training plan, I don't think) - max pace is 5K pace and min reps are 400m, no 200m or 100m. Most are 600m, 800m, 1km, 1200m and even 1600m they call "intervals"! You'll feel like you're jogging!  G
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Oct 2018
4:21pm, 22 Oct 2018
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SPR
I'm a 1500m (middle distance and main distance)/5000m runner not a sprinter, lol. If I was a sprinter a marathon wouldn't even be a consideration. 1500m is still mainly aerobic. bookofrunning.com Yes there's sessions that contribute to improving how well you run and ideally I'd do more of these but the basics (as with any distance IMO) are endurance and pure speed (as I've said before on here, pure speed done properly is probably the easiest session you can do, once conditioned, despite being fast due to the recovery and lack of length in each rep), and I work on those pretty much weekly, plus a progressive to work on high end endurance. Ideally during track season, I will do more of the 1500m specific sessions and I plan to do Pirie intervals during the winter, but these are the last things that get added, and won't be if I don't feel ready to tolerate them as part of my training load. |
Oct 2018
4:23pm, 22 Oct 2018
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Bazoaxe
I will need to check if I set a max hr in the watch. Think I did although that number is one I saw at the end of a parkrun maybe two years ago so it’s not entirely scientific or accurate or even current.
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Oct 2018
4:27pm, 22 Oct 2018
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Bazoaxe
Larkim. I am of course mixing up two traun By approaches of P£D and hR training which isn’t sensible. That said for P&D I still go by their pace guide and not HR guide as the HR ranges are too wide
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Oct 2018
4:36pm, 22 Oct 2018
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larkim
Yep, broadly that's what I do too tbh. P&D I think more or less say "run this pace, and your HR should end up about this" so they put the emphasis on pace first, HR second. Which whilst handy and easy to understand, begs the question "how do I know what pace to start out at", so arguably is best if you're a runner who has some sort of instinctive presumption about what both your current and target paces should be in broad terms. I can see a great deal of common sense in HR training in the sense that it is entirely adaptable wherever you are in your fitness levels. But had I trained by HR for this current cycle I would have been running much, much more slowly in August / September and I don't think I'd have had enough confidence that it would have got me to the same place I am today (or faster) - though of course that is just because I've never tried it! Chicken / egg comes to mind. |
Oct 2018
6:18pm, 22 Oct 2018
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Brunski
I monitor HR very closely but don't always train to it. In time I've gained really useful knowledge of what my HR is doing and how that is likely to affect subsequent days training. After a very hard session or a race I definitely make sure my next run is HR guided. I think it's allowed me to clock up more (injury free) miles. The 2 runs I'll use HR for are: - Recovery runs (that I keep under 70% max for true recovery in general, with 70% HRR as an absolute ceiling if on a lumpy route). - sub threshold/marathon pace runs, I try and do a longer 'tempo' working up to just below the lactate threshold (this is stolen from Hadd training). I've also got a HR plan for the marathon I've mentioned before (yet to implement this properly as foolishly decided that I could ignore it for a bit in the heat of London). |
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Oct 2018
8:19pm, 22 Oct 2018
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Bazoaxe
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Oct 2018
8:42pm, 22 Oct 2018
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jdarun
My wife does and it's mildly interesting but a bit meh. OTOH we don't think there is any harm in sometimes paying a bit to support a service we use and like, eg this site. Zwift is the expensive one but even that's just about tolerable |
Oct 2018
8:46pm, 22 Oct 2018
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Fat Slow Hawk
Tried it briefly, free trial plus one more month. It didn't seem worth it to me. Personally Fetch shows more than enough and plus thats what I'm used to. |
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Oct 2018
8:47pm, 22 Oct 2018
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larkim
I've trialed premium for free a couple of times but nothing there that fetch doesn't do better. I think if I was a cyclist it might be worth it for some of the live segment features paired with the right sort of cycle computer, but not as a runner for me.
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