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Sep 2012
8:24pm, 22 Sep 2012
405 posts
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Easy Easy Easy
yes Gobi - your right about that
Nobody is truely ready for the first one
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Sep 2012
8:59pm, 22 Sep 2012
4,706 posts
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Bazoaxe
That was exactly my point. I had no idea what my potential was until after mara no two after which I declared I had posted a time I would never better. Even then I didn't know my potential and have improved significantly just by training more sensibly.
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Sep 2012
9:14pm, 22 Sep 2012
48,687 posts
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Gobi
You see it as after mara training whereas I see it as increased volume. You improved by training better Baz not by doing a marathon. In effect if you focused the volume you did for the marathon around training for a 10km you would run faster again.
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Sep 2012
9:22pm, 22 Sep 2012
4,708 posts
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Bazoaxe
Agreed. Although initially I improved by training more. It took a few years before I realised I could also train beter.
I never would have trained more without the marathon as a focus.
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Sep 2012
9:25pm, 22 Sep 2012
48,688 posts
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Gobi
That is the sad bit Baz, many people are prepared to do enough training to run an below average marathon but not enough to run a average 10km.
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Sep 2012
9:30pm, 22 Sep 2012
4,709 posts
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Bazoaxe
At the time gobi I couldn't distinguish between those. I thought both were pretty good. And they were. I just fifnt know I could be better.
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Sep 2012
9:42pm, 22 Sep 2012
48,689 posts
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Gobi
that can be a problem
I'm sure the 1st timers are delighted to know that I will not go and look at their support thread :¬)
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Sep 2012
9:57pm, 22 Sep 2012
27,900 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
Preparation Preparation Preparation.
You do need to get your base up its a no brainer. You cannot do a marathon on 3 runs a week without a certain amount of payback usual pain and injury.
I've seen this by people at my old club who cockily thought they could
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Sep 2012
12:31pm, 23 Sep 2012
20 posts
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MKS
It took me 21 months from picking up running again to my 1st mara.
As it happened my first race was in fact a HM which I ran in 1:40:xx (Sept 2010) but I then trained in the same way for Reading HM (2011) and got pretty much the same result 1:39:xx - all of this was on no more than 20-25 mpw.
OK to improve something has to be done differently I thought, and I upped my mileage and focused on shorter faster races. This included a full XC season where I ran 8 races (2011/2012). At the end of that period, I was stronger than I have ever been and as Gobi pointed out, my intermediate race times tumbled along the way - a 23:xx 5k became a 20:xx 5k; a 44:xx 10k became a 41:xx 10k; a 73:xx 10m dropped to 71:xx and HM dropped to 1:34.
My peak mileage just before VLM 2012 was 53 mpw and I ran that debut marathon in 3:32:13 aged 62.
The key as has been said many times before is get stronger, run longer and your times will tumble and then you might have a decent crack at a mara time.
If you want to answer the "office water cooler" question "Have you run a mara?" you might be in a position to answer with a decent time. If you are asked "Have you done a mara?", then millions of people can "do" a mara by just walking......and from my perspective, sadly millions do!
You might have noticed that for me, a marathon is to regarded as an athletic endeavour and not a social endeavour........there are no short cuts.
Ignites blue touchpaper and retires Lol!
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Sep 2012
12:33pm, 23 Sep 2012
417 posts
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Easy Easy Easy
it also has a lot to do with on the day
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Moving up from 10k to the half
May 2013