Transgender exercise - Lets Fetch Everyone

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5:30pm, 8 Aug 2021
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westmoors
Just listened to an interesting interview on Marathon Talk with Sian Longthorpe nee Simon Longthorpe (Episode 587). One of the things she talked about was accepting her performances were dramatically reduced during and after transition.
Aug 2021
6:38pm, 8 Aug 2021
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-Monty-
Yes that's something I can confirm with completely and am always annoyed with people who think that it doesn't.
It's a long standing argument that I'm not getting involved with though.
Aug 2021
10:00pm, 8 Aug 2021
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swittle
Showing tonight on BBC4, 1st ep. in 1979 series on transgender issues, featuring Julia Grant.
bbc.co.uk
en.wikipedia.org
Aug 2021
10:44pm, 8 Aug 2021
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♪♫ Synge ♪♫
Sian Longthorpe is a well respected runner in Devon. She had a good run in the Dartmoor Discovery ultra this year, although, as those comments may suggest, not on a par with Simon a few years back.
Aug 2021
12:20pm, 9 Aug 2021
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Vixx
swittle - all those episodes are currently on iPlayer. I watched them a few weeks back. Not much has changed in 40 years shall we say. Including the attitude of the doctor in the first 2 episodes.
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1:21pm, 9 Aug 2021
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HappyG(rrr)
Just wanted to say what a great, informative this is for those of us trying to be better informed and with the usual wonderful, supportive Fetchie ethos. That's it really. Thanks CotH for the very useful sidebar for terminology tips. :-) G
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2:19pm, 21 Aug 2021
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NDWDave
A request for insight/education please from a position of general ignorance…

So Ru Paul’s drag race has an AFAB contestant this series. My initial reaction was that having a female body in a game show where the aim is to turn a male body into a feminine appearance is a bit of an unfair advantage.

But that goes against being inclusive

(Ie this thread) and if Ru Paul has invited her, then it presumably isn’t the drag equivalent of black face / cultural appropriation… so I’m rolling with it (not that it has anything to do with me).

I hear it had been quite controversial so I’m trying to improve my understanding…
Aug 2021
2:41pm, 21 Aug 2021
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Vixx
There are female drag queens, but they are not as common as female drag kings.

RuPaul is controversial anyway around this issue as previously they have prevented transgender women from taking part, or drag queens that have transitioned have not been invited back for other shows.

They do appear to be listening to people's outrage over comments such as ones referred to here:

vox.com
Aug 2021
2:53pm, 21 Aug 2021
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NDWDave
Thanks Vixx - a lot in there that I didn’t know before. Good well written article
Aug 2021
2:57pm, 21 Aug 2021
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Vixx
The wife watches the UK Drag Race - she used to do female drag (rather than be a drag king) so likes to watch it. I admire the artistry but know what a PITA it can be to put tights, etc on so leave it there.

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A thread about how we can encourage and include people in whatever exercise they are interested in and removing barriers to participation.

Glossary
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Amendments/Corrections/Requests just ask for a sidebar edit.
This is NOT comprehensive, just some helpful shorthand.
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Gender Identity ≠ Gender Expression ≠ Anatomical Sex ≠ Sexual Orientation

Anatomical sex = The physical aspects that make you fit into a category based on genitals, chromosomes etc i.e. Intersex, Female, Male...
Gender identity = The internal view of gender, the way you see yourself.
Gender expression = The way you present to others externally through clothing, behaviours, language and other social signals.

Sexual orientation = Who you are attracted to.

None of the above are dependent on any of the others, individuals may relate one to another in their specific case, but assuming what one might be based on observation of another is not a sound basis for determination.

Transgender (Trans) = When your gender identity does not match your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Cisgender (Cis) = When your gender identity matches your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Non Binary (Enby) = When your gender identity doesn't fall into either of the female/male choice. It may exist somewhere on the spectrum between woman and man, either stable of fluctuating between woman-ness and man-ness. This may encapsulate those that may use terms such as genderfluid, agender, demigender et al.

Pronouns = she/her, him/his, them/they etc...
How to refer best to someone else. Really simply, follow their lead. Ask if unsure, be polite. If corrected, it's not a problem unless you repeatedly ignore correction.

Transition = The process somebody goes through to alter their physical attributes to better match their gender identity and expression.

Dysphoria = The distress a person feels due to a mismatch between their gender identity and their sex assigned at birth. Can fluctuate and be experienced at varying degrees.
Dysmorphia = Discomfort with the shape/form of the body. Present in eating disorders and the like, but can often effect transgender people, with triggers such as body hair presence/absence, chest/genital presentation etc.
Deadname - The name a person is assigned at birth, that they no longer use.

Triggers = Things that are known to cause an effect. Typically, X causes a person to experience dysphoria/dysmorphia. Sometimes these can be managed/avoided, other times they are inevitable.

Acronyms:
amab = assigned male at birth (originally born anatomically male)

afab = assigned female at birth (originally born anatomically female)

ftm = female to male transitioner
mtf = male to female transitioner
egg = state of somebody before becoming aware they were transgender i.e. "their egg cracked when they realised and began to emerge"
GIC/GIS = Gender Identity Clinic/Service, providing transition services
GRS = Gender Reassignment Surgery

General notes:
* Not everyone will be comfortable talking about their situation, depending on where they are.
* Not everyone has the language to articulate how they feel, what they want to say. Be patient.
* These things are NOT static, what you encounter in a person today may evolve into something else later.
* Am I trans/cis/enby etc... Frankly, you tell us. Whatever YOU are comfortable with at the time is what we will adopt. It is YOUR identity.
* This language is weird. Yup, and we (CreatureOfTheHill) as a plural system talk strange too, it's OK. We (CreatureOfTheHill) are not "normal", never have been.
* Am I weird/abnormal? Possibly, but it has NOTHING to do with being here or being trans/enby or whatever. People just are in general, and that is OK, we love you for your quirkiness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFL5GTKwonQ


Resources:
Genderbread Person genderbread.org

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