Transgender exercise - Lets Fetch Everyone

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NDWDave
Iโ€™ve just noticed this thread. Not sure what I can contribute but hope to be supportive and encourage as an ally (not McCoist or McBeal though)
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-Monty-
Thanks Dave! ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘
Jul 2021
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Vixx
Thanks NDWDave :)
Jul 2021
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Dooogs
Careful, Dave - Best Ally sounds alarmingly like a winter deathmatch...
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Dooogs
On a tangent but nice to see Nicky Bandini on the BBC Euros build-up - I've read her football and NFL stuff in the Graun for years but never seen her on TV before.
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2:20pm, 2 Aug 2021
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NDWDave
The Bad Boy Running Podcast (more diverse than it sounds) are interviewing Janae Marie Kroc. They are on Facebook and asking people for any questions people want to ask.

Vixx - I was going to fmail you about it and then noticed you were the second comment : )
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JenL
Uplifting to see this thread. Fetch remains a Happy Place.

I have little to contribute, I think, in practical terms, but from a language perspective, if anyone comes up against the idea that being able to choose your own pronouns is grammatically problematic and cites the "absence of a gender-neutral pronoun in English" and/or requirement for number agreement as their "evidence", which IS an argument I've seen and heard several times against, for instance, the use of singular "they/them", be assured that argument is linguistic nonsense.

Language adapts: it's in the hands/mouths/brains of the users crab heart
Aug 2021
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Vixx
Thanks NDWDave :)

I have been following them for years - they were a friend of someone else I used to follow in the fitness industry. I haven't seen all of their film but what I have seen is pretty interesting.

I do hope it is a good interview.

And ION, I hope that there's a little less pressure on Laurel Hubbard now - we don't win all the events. I will reiterate that I do feel more research needs to be done now that there are more people coming forward.
Aug 2021
7:40pm, 2 Aug 2021
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The Great Raemondo
Janae is a member of the awesome GRRRL army, I'm fairly sure.

I'm a big GRRRL fan, as unicorn thread followers may have noticed.
Aug 2021
8:13pm, 2 Aug 2021
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NDWDave
Quite possibly. Janae is absolutely stacked from the power lifting so I imagine suitable sports clothing canโ€™t be easy to find.

Yes. Hoping for a good interview. The semi-clueless style seems to get the best from people.

About This Thread

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A thread about how we can encourage and include people in whatever exercise they are interested in and removing barriers to participation.

Glossary
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This is NOT comprehensive, just some helpful shorthand.
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Gender Identity โ‰  Gender Expression โ‰  Anatomical Sex โ‰  Sexual Orientation

Anatomical sex = The physical aspects that make you fit into a category based on genitals, chromosomes etc i.e. Intersex, Female, Male...
Gender identity = The internal view of gender, the way you see yourself.
Gender expression = The way you present to others externally through clothing, behaviours, language and other social signals.

Sexual orientation = Who you are attracted to.

None of the above are dependent on any of the others, individuals may relate one to another in their specific case, but assuming what one might be based on observation of another is not a sound basis for determination.

Transgender (Trans) = When your gender identity does not match your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Cisgender (Cis) = When your gender identity matches your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Non Binary (Enby) = When your gender identity doesn't fall into either of the female/male choice. It may exist somewhere on the spectrum between woman and man, either stable of fluctuating between woman-ness and man-ness. This may encapsulate those that may use terms such as genderfluid, agender, demigender et al.

Pronouns = she/her, him/his, them/they etc...
How to refer best to someone else. Really simply, follow their lead. Ask if unsure, be polite. If corrected, it's not a problem unless you repeatedly ignore correction.

Transition = The process somebody goes through to alter their physical attributes to better match their gender identity and expression.

Dysphoria = The distress a person feels due to a mismatch between their gender identity and their sex assigned at birth. Can fluctuate and be experienced at varying degrees.
Dysmorphia = Discomfort with the shape/form of the body. Present in eating disorders and the like, but can often effect transgender people, with triggers such as body hair presence/absence, chest/genital presentation etc.
Deadname - The name a person is assigned at birth, that they no longer use.

Triggers = Things that are known to cause an effect. Typically, X causes a person to experience dysphoria/dysmorphia. Sometimes these can be managed/avoided, other times they are inevitable.

Acronyms:
amab = assigned male at birth (originally born anatomically male)

afab = assigned female at birth (originally born anatomically female)

ftm = female to male transitioner
mtf = male to female transitioner
egg = state of somebody before becoming aware they were transgender i.e. "their egg cracked when they realised and began to emerge"
GIC/GIS = Gender Identity Clinic/Service, providing transition services
GRS = Gender Reassignment Surgery

General notes:
* Not everyone will be comfortable talking about their situation, depending on where they are.
* Not everyone has the language to articulate how they feel, what they want to say. Be patient.
* These things are NOT static, what you encounter in a person today may evolve into something else later.
* Am I trans/cis/enby etc... Frankly, you tell us. Whatever YOU are comfortable with at the time is what we will adopt. It is YOUR identity.
* This language is weird. Yup, and we (CreatureOfTheHill) as a plural system talk strange too, it's OK. We (CreatureOfTheHill) are not "normal", never have been.
* Am I weird/abnormal? Possibly, but it has NOTHING to do with being here or being trans/enby or whatever. People just are in general, and that is OK, we love you for your quirkiness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFL5GTKwonQ


Resources:
Genderbread Person genderbread.org

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