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Transgender Athletes

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MsG Jul 2021 4:16pm, 6 Jul 2021 1,877 posts	Quote Pin MsG I think I've commented on this before but DSDs and trans gender athletes (imo) is not comparing like with like and so not helpful. A recent blog examines the issues of comparing Caster's situation to Hubbard. It recognises the unfairness and difficulty for intersex athletes in competing. There's no easy answer and I found it thought provoking. The writer has the opinion that biological males should not be competing against bio women. unherd.com
RooA Jul 2021 6:03pm, 6 Jul 2021 1,258 posts	Quote Pin RooA I agree MsG. DSD athletes are a separate consideration.
The_Saint Jul 2021 6:29pm, 6 Jul 2021 6,858 posts	Quote Pin The_Saint Women with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome are 46XY but I don't believe anyone informed as to what this means has any issues with them competing. Anyway as you say this is a different topic.
larkim Sep 2021 9:03am, 30 Sep 2021 15,563 posts	Quote Pin larkim UK Sport providing cross sport guidance and thoughts on the trans gender participation topic theguardian.com
CumbriAndy Sep 2021 9:10am, 30 Sep 2021 2,535 posts	Quote Pin CumbriAndy Not seen the Guardian take - but this is, presumably, the same story from a different angle (or, at least, by a different journalist) bbc.com
The Mussile Sep 2021 9:15am, 30 Sep 2021 657 posts	Quote Pin The Mussile I think that is a sensible guidance. Making a distinction between inclusiveness and sporting fairness is probably the way forward and in many amateur sports an Open category could be the way forward. Particularly in something like running where the value of age-group and gender prizes is generally minimal and 99% of entrants are not competing for these anyways. Having played for many years I don't believe Rugby is a suitable sport for Transgender athletes to participate in but think some other sports could accommodate Transgender athletes without impinging on fairness or participant safety. Note: I'm not talking about elite sport at all here. That's a different subject
larkim Sep 2021 9:33am, 30 Sep 2021 15,564 posts	Quote Pin larkim It feels like most sports administrators are coming around to the view of "this is really complex and we don't think we'll ever come up with the right answer" which is both likely correct and will also infuriate those with passionate views from different standpoints. Perhaps in 50 years we'll look back on the questions and debates being examined now and wonder how it ended up so complex when the answer was so simple. But I doubt it!
Velociraptor Sep 2021 10:45am, 30 Sep 2021 54,289 posts	Quote Pin Velociraptor Pleased to see this sensible and evidence based report from the UK sports councils, and I hope they'll be there to advise and support individual organisations in their decision making.
RooA Sep 2021 12:21pm, 30 Sep 2021 1,519 posts	Quote Pin RooA I think the guidance is very clear that it is unfair to have males competing in female sports.
larkim Sep 2021 12:26pm, 30 Sep 2021 15,567 posts	Quote Pin larkim I think the guidance is very clear that it is unfair to have males competing in female sports. Difficult to unpick that without a forensic examination of what the term "males" means in your post. I wouldn't want to impute a meaning that you don't intend.