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May 2017
10:31pm, 21 May 2017
22,898 posts
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Derby Tup
If you want to cc me too that would be alright 
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May 2017
10:35pm, 21 May 2017
7,986 posts
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rf_fozzy
Have I got your email NE?
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May 2017
11:38am, 22 May 2017
4,268 posts
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Northern Exile
I'll send it to you in a PM. Basically, there's not a lot you can do to save time on Leg 2 of the JNC, it all centres around how you move between Red Screes and Hart Crag. If you've done the Hodgson Bros. relays before you might be acquainted with the best lines, but rather than following the "accepted" route, you can find a better line (grass) off Red Screes slightly to the N of the wall line, then once at Scandale Pass you can cut off a decent corner that takes you above High Beck Stones and reunites you with the wall line you'd have been following under normal circumstances. Once you hit the wall, cut the corner as much as you dare to rejoin the tourist path up to Dove Crag and onwards to Hart Crag. From there, I don't think there is really much to be saved, once on Fairfield it's the standard BGR route down to the col, Seat Sandal and down to Dunmail. I can send you a map extract with this clearly marked if it would help.
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May 2017
4:13pm, 22 May 2017
7,987 posts
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rf_fozzy
Thanks NE for the above (and the fmail).
Think you've pretty much answered what I was wondering about - basically how far W you go from Red Screes summit to the top of Scandale (my instinct as an orienteer would be to cut diagonally down and hug the wall line, rather than messing about in the re-entrants, especially if they're rocky).
The section above High Bakestones is the one I'm going to need to go and look at - my instincts were again, as you said to cut the corner to avoid extra climb around Little Hart Crag and Black Brow, but it depends on runnability over to the wall line - looks like there's a trod on the aerial photographs, but it might not be there (or obvious) on the ground.
The only other bit I wondered about was whether you could skirt round the W side of Dove Crag to avoid the climb there, because that'll affect what line to take on the above as well...
I guess most of these answers will be solved when I go and reccie it in a couple of weeks!
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May 2017
6:19pm, 22 May 2017
4,270 posts
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Northern Exile
I will post a screenshot of the trace from my JNC last week. Watch this space.
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May 2017
6:33pm, 22 May 2017
4,271 posts
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Northern Exile
Here you go. The cyan trace is an earlier recce.
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May 2017
6:54pm, 22 May 2017
7,988 posts
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rf_fozzy
Thanks NE, that's very helpful.
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May 2017
7:10pm, 22 May 2017
12,462 posts
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Fenland (Fenners) Runner
Great stuff NE. Love it.
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May 2017
7:23pm, 22 May 2017
22,899 posts
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Derby Tup
I've never been up Red Screes
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May 2017
7:30pm, 22 May 2017
7,989 posts
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rf_fozzy
I might have done. I'm not sure. I will have done for sure in a couple of weeks time....
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