The War in Ukraine

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Muttley Feb 2023 4:55pm, 20 Feb 2023 2,261 posts	Quote Pin Muttley The Russians were reportedly given a few hours' notice, for avoidance of escalation inadvertent or otherwise. I would imagine that the comms were along the lines of "You even think of it and the response will be violent and crushing". From which the conclusion would be - we had the chance but didn't take it because we were scared.
richmac Feb 2023 4:57pm, 20 Feb 2023 21,020 posts	Quote Pin richmac I agree, they didn't fancy Moscow being transformed into glass. Good bit of brinkmanship!
Muttley Feb 2023 5:24pm, 20 Feb 2023 2,262 posts	Quote Pin Muttley It also ties in Biden's and the US's credibility to the Ukrainian cause. That's a pretty clear message to the man cowering in his bunker in the Kremlin.
Angus Clydesdale Feb 2023 8:06pm, 20 Feb 2023 26,212 posts	Quote Pin Angus Clydesdale Has to be a good thing, surely.
EvilPixie Feb 2023 11:14am, 21 Feb 2023 40,663 posts	Quote Pin EvilPixie Putin's 2 hr speech .... Putin has predictably blamed the West for the Ukraine war during his speech, just days before the one year anniversary of Russia's invasion. He called Western intervention over the years a "campaign of terror", adding that "I want to repeat it is them who are guilty and culpable for the war and we are using our force to stop it". Stopping the war by using force? err OK
richmac Feb 2023 11:46am, 21 Feb 2023 21,031 posts	Quote Pin richmac There hole in that as well is that there was no war before he started one.
EvilPixie Feb 2023 11:50am, 21 Feb 2023 40,665 posts	Quote Pin EvilPixie I also liked As he continues on this theme, Putin accuses the West of "opening the way" for Nazis to take power in the 1930s, and says that since the 19th century the West has tried to tear away Russia's "historical lands" - "what is now called Ukraine". Plus there was a LGBT+ bit too ... what's that got to do with Ukraine? Putin now moves on to LGBT rights, a common topic in his speeches. "Family means a union between a man and a woman," Putin says, adding that "so say the sacred texts of every religion on Earth". "But the West is doubting these sacred texts... We have to protect our children from degradation and degeneration - and we will," Putin says. Thunderous applause follows.
GordonG Feb 2023 12:29pm, 21 Feb 2023 9,611 posts	Quote Pin GordonG i think i'm right in saying that it wasn't specifically a Ukraine speech, more a State of the Nation speech which is why he's included LGBT+ issues. How sad that there's pretty much no one in Russia in a position to argue against him.
EvilPixie Feb 2023 3:34pm, 21 Feb 2023 40,678 posts	Quote Pin EvilPixie OIC Gordon that would explain I was very confused!! Yes the audience seemed to be very clappy happy or was there threats if they didn't stand and cheer!
richmac Feb 2023 5:04pm, 21 Feb 2023 21,032 posts	Quote Pin richmac The west paved the way? From the guy who runs the country that had the moon aggression pact and divvied up Poland.

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Royal United Services Institute - rusi.org
Bellingcat - bellingcat.com
Human Rights Watch - hrw.org
Reuters - reuters.com
BBC Russian Service - bbc.com
Ria Novosti - ria.ru
Russian Online TV - ontvtime.ru
Russian TV News - tv-novosti.ru
UK Government Response - gov.uk
UK MOD Twitter Feed - twitter.com
ABC News - abcnews.go.com
Wion Russia - Ukraine - wionews.com

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