The War in Ukraine

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richmac Oct 2022 9:41pm, 5 Oct 2022 19,912 posts	Quote Pin richmac Video on the guardian website talking about tanks not being obsolete but badly deployed by Russia theguardian.com
Northern Exile Oct 2022 7:25pm, 6 Oct 2022 9,164 posts	Quote Pin Northern Exile Weekly spiel for The Conversation: Vladimir Putin had barely finished his speech last Friday welcoming four new regions into Mother Russia when his mouthpiece, Kremlin press secretary Dmitry Peskov, admitted that they didn't actually know where the borders of these regions were. "We will clarify everything today," he said, when quizzed as to whether Russia was laying claim to those parts of the Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions still under Ukrainian control. But Putin and his advisers are no clearer now as to how much of their neighbour's land they have claimed than they were a week ago. The stunning success of Ukraine's counteroffensives in the south and east have pushed Russian troops out of thousands of square kilometres of territory, in the process taking large numbers of prisoners and capturing huge amounts of Russian military equipment. Precious Chatterje-Doody, who researches politics and international affairs at the Open University, believes the sham referendums and annexations were as much for domestic consumption as anything else. Support for the war in Russia, despite what polling might suggest, appears to be waning – particularly since the Kremlin announced its partial mobilisation last month. You've only got to look at the numbers of military-age Russians flooding across the borders of neighbouring countries to see that the urge to risk life and limb for the motherland is not exactly irresistible for many. For the Russian president, bad news on the battlefield has been compounded by political pressure from the right wing. There has been growing criticism of the way Putin has been conducting the campaign, which many feel should have long ago been upgraded from "special military operation" to all-out war. Jules Sergei Fediunin, a political scientist at the Raymond Aron Centre for Sociological and Political Studies in France, has identified some of the prime movers in Russia's far right who range from military veterans, to ultra-nationalists to the increasingly visible military bloggers (milbloggers). These people represent an increasingly powerful tendency in Russian politics, writes Fediunin – and it's uncertain to what extent Putin will be able to keep them onside. Nuclear sabre rattling Another of Putin's allies who has been urging an escalation in Ukraine is the Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, who is urging the Russian president to make good on his threat to defend Russia with “all available means” at their disposal, meaning tactical nuclear weapons. The Russian leadership has hinted several times over the past seven months that it might be prepared to resort to its nuclear arsenal if it feels there is an existential threat to Russia. And, since the annexations, fighting is mainly taking place on what the Kremlin considers to be Russian soil. As Christoph Bluth of the University of Bradford notes here, the US and Nato have taken pains to play down these threats as so much bluster. But the US secretary of defense, Lloyd Austin, recently revealed that Washington had “been war-gaming” its response. Bluth has looked into a variety of ways in which Russia might deploy its nuclear arsenal and talks us through the possible US response. We must hope that cool heads prevail on both sides of the Atlantic. Coincidentally, we're not far off the 60th anniversary of the Cuban missile crisis, 13 days during which the world stood on the brink of nuclear war after Russia deployed medium-range nuclear missiles to Cuba and the US blockaded the island and demanded their removal. The crisis deepened after Soviet anti-aircraft missiles shot down a US spy plane over Cuba. The crisis pitted a relatively inexperienced US president, John F. Kennedy, against a hardheaded Soviet leader, Nikita Khrushchev, both of whom were reportedly under pressure to escalate from influential hawks in their respective administrations. Tom Vaughan, who researches nuclear politics at Aberystwyth University, recounts the crisis and draws parallels with today's situation. Away from the battlefield With his eyes firmly on the 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party in Beijing in about ten days, the last thing Xi Jinping must want is to become embroiled in nuclear brinkmanship in Europe. Xi has consistently backed Putin, but has tempered his position with a degree of ambiguity, simultaneously refusing to condemn Russia's actions while at the same time restating his firmly held position on the sanctity of the principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity. The University of Birmingham's Stefan Wolff and Tatyana Malyarenko of the National University Odesa believe that Xi's support for Putin is finite, with one of the main red lines being any use of nuclear weapons on Russia's part. For Xi, the increasing asymmetry of the two countries' relationship, in which Russia is increasingly the junior partner, is not such an undesirable outcome. Meanwhile the perpetrator of what looks likely to have been deliberate sabotage of the Nord Stream gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea remains unclear. But the episode is a sobering pointer for the damage that could be done by a mischievous power bent on wreaking real havoc with vital infrastructure. As Christian Bueger, a professor of international relations at the University of Copenhagen, points out, this raises the question of the vulnerabilities of European pipelines, electricity and internet cables. This, says Bueger, appears to be what is known as a "grey-zone" attack, so called because it could either have been perpetrated by a rogue state or by a group acting indirectly on behalf of state interests. What makes it all the more tricky is that it's the first carried out underwater, where at present there is little surveillance in place. The trouble with conscription We mentioned earlier that some of Putin's right-wing allies want him to double down on the war and call for mass mobilisation, which implies a general conscription of fighting-age men. This has rarely been a popular move, particularly when the cause is not an existential one as it was for many of the allied countries in the second world war. And it appears that nobody is immune to a degree of cynicism when it comes to making hard political choices as to who to send off to risk life and limb. Kevin Fahey, a political scientist at the University of Nottingham, has analysed archival information about how the US conducted conscription in the second world war. He reveals that the Democratic Roosevelt administration systematically rigged the call up to favour their party at the next election, taking fewer conscripts from swing states where sending people's boys off to fight might have boosted the chances of their Republican rivals. Plus ça change, you might say.
richmac Oct 2022 7:41pm, 6 Oct 2022 19,919 posts	Quote Pin richmac Thanks NE. Today missiles hit civilian targets within the 'annexed' area. Putin is now killing his own population. Hope someone points this out to the wider Russian population.
Muttley Oct 2022 8:51am, 7 Oct 2022 1,896 posts	Quote Pin Muttley Interesting as ever, NE. Precious Chatterje-Doody ... what a wonderful name.
Muttley Oct 2022 8:53am, 7 Oct 2022 1,897 posts	Quote Pin Muttley The Russians are outraged that they've not been invited to participate in the investigation into the Nord Stream pipeline blasts. Honestly, they must think that the Swedes and Danes were born yesterday
Muttley Oct 2022 10:14am, 7 Oct 2022 1,898 posts	Quote Pin Muttley I'm wondering how Ukrainian field rations compare against ours ... reddit.com Nato's are officially called MREs, "meals ready to eat", but they're notorious for causing constipation so known to squaddies as "meals refusing to exit".
Northern Exile Oct 2022 10:19am, 7 Oct 2022 9,165 posts	Quote Pin Northern Exile I tried some of the U.S. ratpacks on one trip out to the States, they were actually pretty good in comparison to ours at the time.
Angus Clydesdale Oct 2022 10:24am, 7 Oct 2022 25,345 posts	Quote Pin Angus Clydesdale We never called rat packs MREs.
swittle Oct 2022 1:04pm, 7 Oct 2022 91,231 posts	Quote Pin swittle 'The Guardian', today:- "Nobel peace prize given to human rights activists in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine." theguardian.com
Muttley Oct 2022 1:05pm, 7 Oct 2022 1,899 posts	Quote Pin Muttley I never got to try field rations, being based in a static unit in West Berlin. We had a steak bar with T-bones bigger than the plate, with all the trimmings. And that was just in the airmen's mess. God knows what they were feeding to senior NCOs and officers - beluga caviar and foie gras washed down with Bollinger at a guess.

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Royal United Services Institute - rusi.org
Bellingcat - bellingcat.com
Human Rights Watch - hrw.org
Reuters - reuters.com
BBC Russian Service - bbc.com
Ria Novosti - ria.ru
Russian Online TV - ontvtime.ru
Russian TV News - tv-novosti.ru
UK Government Response - gov.uk
UK MOD Twitter Feed - twitter.com
ABC News - abcnews.go.com
Wion Russia - Ukraine - wionews.com

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