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mrs shanksi Jul 2016 11:31pm, 12 Jul 2016 7,365 posts	Quote Pin mrs shanksi Why don't we go to the Politics thread? You don't need a new thread for each party
postieboy Jul 2016 6:16am, 13 Jul 2016 3,530 posts	Quote Pin postieboy The only danger to the Tories right now are their MP's dying laughing at Labour. The only question for Labour now is when is there going to be a split and how many will join it? The militants have an iron grip on the party and the moderates are finished IMHO. Corbyn will win and leave the majority of PLP with nowhere to go but out.
Chrisull Jul 2016 10:58am, 13 Jul 2016 9,419 posts	Quote Pin Chrisull Labour's last attempts at manoeuvring after Corbyn left the room were unbelievable, freeze membership at Feb and increase the "entryists" fee to £25. Members who paid 47 to join since Feb now can't vote without paying an extra 25. A lot were anti Corbynites! But hope - the polls for Corbyn are diabolical with his own party: twitter.com no longer certain if he'd win on those figures. Apparently Owen Smith now odds on for next Labour leader.
SFL Jul 2016 11:09am, 13 Jul 2016 793 posts	Quote Pin SFL William Hill have Corbyn as slight favourite. Of course that could change if Angela Eagle drops out.
Doctor K Jul 2016 11:23am, 13 Jul 2016 3,821 posts	Quote Pin Doctor K Labour rules are an utter fiasco. In the election for the Labour Manchester Mayor candidate the cut off date for membership to be entitled to vote is July 2015 (for god's sake !). For the leader anyone can buy a vote -currently 25 quid (which many of us have always thought of as a stupid idea). Then you have at a local level people bending rules citing "exceptions" when choosing candidates. I've seen the local selection body rule someone out (from my Ward) from a selection panel because he didn't have the required time of membership then along comes someone they want to shoehorn into a safe seat and hey presto they get selected with 2 months membership. As a result we have an elected Labour councillor who can't vote in the mayoral candidate election !! Work that out. The rest of the candidates (including me) all with required membership get overlooked for safer seats as they proceed to gerrymander mates in a ward to come to a meeting (once every Preston Guild) and vote to select their preferred candidate. (They're on the "right" of the party). And we wonder why there is conflict. Have a single set of rules and stick to them. Rant over
Duchess Jul 2016 1:09pm, 13 Jul 2016 6,987 posts	Quote Pin Duchess The rules apply...until they don't. All animals are equal...until they're not. The noise about Teresa May being "unelected" are going to be completely drowned out by the sound of the Labour party tearing itself asunder.
Chrisull Jul 2016 1:22pm, 13 Jul 2016 9,420 posts	Quote Pin Chrisull Beginning to think I must be a centrist all along. The idea that principles sometimes have to be compromised in power must make me one I guess. I thought politics was attempting change things for the better, not some sort of who can be "holier than thou" while renouncing all chance of power. "There, there it's ok that you only got 2 votes, because your glorious principles remain unsullied." Corbyn must go if there is to be any future. I once hung round with some of the far left. They were dicks (one or two weren't). They couldn't compromise. Or come to a consensus. Even with each other! Oh such and such is a prat because he doesn't believe that. And half of them were creepy upper middle class rich boys. Don't remember a single woman. I see the Corbyn led shadow cabinet is now trying to purge the remaining non Corbynistas who didn't resign, starting with Jon Ashworth.
Duchess Jul 2016 1:37pm, 13 Jul 2016 6,990 posts	Quote Pin Duchess Chrisull, how far do you think a politician can go in compromise before principles become betrayed?
Chrisull Jul 2016 1:43pm, 13 Jul 2016 9,421 posts	Quote Pin Chrisull The age old question - it's up to the individual making the decisions. But refusing to put yourself in that position doesn't count as an answer in my book :-).
TRO Saracen Jul 2016 3:48pm, 13 Jul 2016 13,162 posts	Quote Pin TRO Saracen Nick Clegg compromised a principle; it cost him his career, his party was all but wiped out and it put a majority Conservative government into office.