So who won the tour from 1999 to 2005
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Sep 2020
8:22pm, 21 Sep 2020
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Totriornottotri
Allegedly. š But also doping suspicions in cycling, who knew. Large mammal conducts bowel movements in forested area. Head of Vatican based evangelical movement named āPopeā. š etc...
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Sep 2020
9:19pm, 21 Sep 2020
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stuart little
Once again, police investigation finds evidence where anti doping don't. I'm shocked 
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Sep 2020
9:33pm, 24 Sep 2020
953 posts
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Totriornottotri
Just finished Lance doco part 1. Never caught the ā99 quote by Liggett - āif you believe in miracles... you believe in Lance Armstrongā.
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Sep 2020
10:00pm, 24 Sep 2020
1,685 posts
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bonners
It is a fascinating documentary, have been mesmorised by both parts. Considering it is a documentary that is really rather fair to Armstrong, in my eyes he still comes across as quite a loathsome individual. He wasn't quite explicit, but it is fairly obvious he feels quite hard done to and there is a total lack of remorse. The only thing he appears sorry for is getting caught. Having said that, it is an absorbing documentary and I'm sure some might end up feeling sorry for him. It doesn't judge, it is up to the viewer to make their minds up. |
Sep 2020
10:01pm, 24 Sep 2020
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Derby Tup
They often used language like extraordinary, unbelievable or incredible to describe his performances For me (and Iām biased) it was his misleading āthe cancer communityā that was worse than the cheating with drugs at cycling. Thatās gone on since the start and Iām sure is still happening now š |
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Sep 2020
10:06pm, 24 Sep 2020
46,613 posts
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Derby Tup
Assuming you believe anything Lance wrote or says it was losing to other teams of cyclists who were doping that led him to cheat to the level he did. Mind, isnāt a key part of the story him admitting during cancer treatment to taking a plethora of PEDs prior to his illness?
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Sep 2020
10:12pm, 24 Sep 2020
31,676 posts
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SPR
The cancer shield. Armstrong's behaviour in general was way worse than his doping which is why he won't be forgiven. I can understand people being tempted to dope, I also understand that dopers aren't necessarily the worst human beings on earth, just people that make bad choices. Lance was a bully and just a terrible person through and through. |
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Sep 2020
4:36pm, 25 Sep 2020
957 posts
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Totriornottotri
There is a lot of hypocrisy around cycling - Tom Simpson = god, Pantani (contary to Lanceās opinion) is idolised by many, Millar, Vino is a DS. But I also find Lanceās hypocrisy annoying - so youāre sorry about SimeĆ³ni but not about Landis why not?! Iād love for him to have explained that bond of trust and maybe speculate about the current state of affairs. The HincapiĆ© relationship is weird too - He uses him as an example of hypocrisy yet is his friend (id be pissed if I was George). His podcast is probably getting some money in and heās backed Oura ring amongst other things.
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Sep 2020
4:41pm, 25 Sep 2020
31,692 posts
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SPR
As I said above, Simpson and Pantani's only crime was to dope. That's not Armstrong's only crime.
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Sep 2020
4:43pm, 25 Sep 2020
31,693 posts
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SPR
Take Simeoni. I can't come up with anyone that's doped that's done anything like what Armstrong did to Simeoni. Or Bassons, and that's just the cyclists.
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