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Shoes (again!) - recommendations for long and rocky

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Hanneke Jun 2013 9:34pm, 13 Jun 2013 61,503 posts	Quote Pin Hanneke Without readin back the whole thread, I did Everest Marathon in Inov8 Roclite boots! Lightweight but a lsightly sturdier sole than the f-lites AND ankle protection for all the rocky stuff as they have ankle cuffs... I was supposed to race in normal roclites, the race ones, but loved the boots so much on trek to basecamp, that I decided to race in them as well... I was on my feet for over 9 hours... no issues whatsoever, loved them!
flip Jun 2013 11:13pm, 13 Jun 2013 5,547 posts	Quote Pin flip re the jezz brag shoes , I suspect jezz could run forever and beat nearly everyone wearing my work boots ! I tend ignore what the top runners are being paid to wear just as I ignore all blogs etc waxing lyrical about races they are getting paid (either in gear or cash ) to write about.
flanker Jun 2013 1:15am, 14 Jun 2013 14,378 posts	Quote Pin flanker H, not read through all of it, but if you are happy usually in f-lites, then I'd take a look at the x-talon 212. It's been my go-to shoe when i can't wear my 195s for everything from parkrun to long ultras for the last few years. Love it (although now moved to the 190 version, which is an f-lite upper and a talon sole). The MudClaw 265 is also a good low-drop option with bags of grip.
santababy Jun 2013 5:30am, 14 Jun 2013 69,200 posts	Quote Pin santababy think he'll need better upper to protect feet from rocks? have you done Lakeland in them Flanker?
HappyG(rrr) Jun 2013 10:28am, 14 Jun 2013 20,406 posts	Quote Pin HappyG(rrr) X-talon has been on my want list, but like sants says, my concern is that my tootsies may be super sensitive and need a more solid upper to protect from bashing against rocks. Maybe I just need to HTFU?! Hann's suggestion is interesting. I don't care about times any more. Just the distance and terrain are enough of a challenge, thank you. So a heavier shoe or even boot might be perfect. Basically, I'm thinking I can cope with legs being tired, fuelling, head stuff etc. of v. long ultras, but if I've got so much pain in my feet just from bruising, I'm going to be unhappy for very many hours. Or is that just the norm for longer ultras? I'm lucky, at mara distance I don't get any foot discomfort any more. No blisters, no pressure points, nothing. Would love same for long (8-15 hours) and rocky! Please keep suggestions coming. I'm really going to try a few of these. Hopefully others may find the convo useful too. Flip, totally agree about elites - almost pointless applying their view of kit, training plans, race approach etc. as they are just so far above the rest of us, it's just not applicable. Imho. :-)G
flanker Jun 2013 1:07pm, 14 Jun 2013 14,379 posts	Quote Pin flanker Santa, yes I've done all my mountain/trail/multi-terrain ultras in talons for the last few years, and not suffered with blisters, soreness, etc at all. With the right shoes and socks and with proper foot care in the build-up then there's no reason why there should be any more problems than just tiredness. The 212 talons are reasonable well protected on the upper. The 190s are far less so, and I'm slightly worried about this for L100, as much about them ripping on sharp rock than about bruising my feet. I'm wearing them for the Shap 100k this weekend and will then decide between them or 212s for the biggie. I've got roclite boots, and while I'll wear them for walking in the wet, I really wouldn't like to run in them. I find them too heavy and restricive.
HappyG(rrr) Jun 2013 7:41pm, 14 Jun 2013 20,407 posts	Quote Pin HappyG(rrr) Flanker, talk to me about socks n footcare. I've decided I love my sealskinz. they are so thick, they must be providing some protection too? What is footcare?! Ta, :-)G
flip Jun 2013 12:12am, 15 Jun 2013 5,549 posts	Quote Pin flip Personally i wouldn't wear my x talons for long and rocky. I only ever wear my sealskins in deep snow Happy. They were fantastic in this years 55 with the -15 and heavy snow conditions but I find they sweat to much (even with a thin undersock) in most conditions and cause my feet to wrinkle and the possiblitly of blistering. Last years Lakeland of which i did 82 miles (31 hours) was very wet but i had no blisters or sores and never changed socks either.Thats quite something when you see the state of feet of a lot of the finishers. Lakeland seems the worst races for feet trashing, my mate jopns feet were in total bits. He finished in 38 hours. Again i used the mizuno with thorlos socks. I should have added that ot my list earlier-good draining shoes are a must as well. My only footcare is to put a bit of vas on my feet before i put my socks on.
flanker Jun 2013 12:16am, 15 Jun 2013 14,383 posts	Quote Pin flanker Well ... Sealskins would be the last type of socks I'd use :). When they get damp inside cos water gets down the top or just through wet they don't drain properly, resulting in feet rapidly falling apart from being kept in little pools of water. Drymax or Bridgedale for me. Drymax are the best IMO but Bridgedale are cheaper and a bit softer. Footcare is all about keeping your feet as soft as a baby's bum. File/pumice away any dry or hard skin and use a quality foot moisturiser regularly. Along with good shoes/socks this should pretty much prevent any blisters (does for me) but even if it doesn't it makes them far easier to treat than if they're under a thick wedge of leather (which with hard feet is where they tend to occur as the stiff leathery outer splits from the soft, pliable inner.
flanker Jun 2013 12:17am, 15 Jun 2013 14,384 posts	Quote Pin flanker fixingyourfeet.com is the ultrarunners footcare bible