Long Run woes - help please

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Meglet Aug 2013 5:21pm, 25 Aug 2013 13,007 posts	0 Meglet Which makes a marathon time of 4.00 look very ambitious unless you ambled round MK
Tim of MK Aug 2013 5:37pm, 25 Aug 2013 1,965 posts	0 Tim of MK Unfortunately, my 2013 half-marathon race times are no real help. I ran the March half in 1:56, but I was 13kg (nearly 2 stone) heavier then. I completed the July half in 2:08, but I'd let myself getting massively dehydrated in the 48 hours prior to race day (don't ask). Also, the day itself was sweltering and many, many good runners were 15-20 minutes off their normal times.
paul a Aug 2013 5:40pm, 25 Aug 2013 10,312 posts	0 paul a I would re-assess against a 4:20 target time and do your next longer run at the revised MP +30s and see how it feels. Don't do it on a treadmill. If you are struggling before you even get to the LR stage then something needs to change.
Velociraptor Aug 2013 5:53pm, 25 Aug 2013 26,792 posts	0 Velociraptor Tim, if you did 15 miles at the same pace recently and were OK afterwards, it's probably just been a co-incidence that you've been sore after your 16-miler. What other training sessions do you do apart from your long run? (Psst, folks, there's a good reason for the treadmill training. Don't nag.)
ChrisThePuma Aug 2013 6:03pm, 25 Aug 2013 2,028 posts	0 ChrisThePuma hi Tim, what marathon are you training for?
Tim of MK Aug 2013 6:31pm, 25 Aug 2013 1,966 posts	0 Tim of MK Velociraptor I aim for three other sessions a week. Once a week, I go out for a 4-5 miler with my gym's embryonic running club. It is a somewhat stop-start session, so it is difficult to really guess the pace (I'm probably very, very conservative with what I post in the training record). Then, there's a couple more treadie runs - this week a 6-miler and a 4-miler (coupled with some other gym work). Thanks for your understanding about why I train on a treadmill.
paul a Aug 2013 6:58pm, 25 Aug 2013 10,314 posts	0 paul a Sorry Tim but that, if typical, is woefully inadequate training.
JohnnyO Aug 2013 7:05pm, 25 Aug 2013 16,739 posts	0 JohnnyO It's low volume for sure. 15 plus the LSR is not a lot, but other people have succeeded on less. Don't worry about the trendy, I do at least 40% of my training on it. It builds mental strength, but you have to wary of injuries. I would try to fit another 9-10miler in, and add some speedwork to at least one of those treadmill sessions.
Tim of MK Aug 2013 7:18pm, 25 Aug 2013 1,967 posts	0 Tim of MK Paul A You're a star motivator. Cheers for your helpful comments lol. Tim
paul a Aug 2013 7:45pm, 25 Aug 2013 10,317 posts	0 paul a Your call Tim.........good luck with the marathon.