Heart rate

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Oct 2007
11:55am, 25 Oct 2007
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jude
*feels admonished*
Oct 2007
12:00pm, 25 Oct 2007
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Hendo
Well I am sorry, but you yourself have, in the past, got frustrated when people apparently don't listen and get frustrated when things don't work for them because they're not doing it right.

I'm beginning to think the world has lost it's sense of humour.

I wrote a long rant about HR training and this speciific thread rather than general training threads, but it sounded too angry and I really just can't be arsed anymore.

I give up, really.
Oct 2007
12:08pm, 25 Oct 2007
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jude
My tuppenth: - if you want to HR train - try to do it properly. If it works, great - if it doesn't - ask for advice. (The whole point of this thread for me)

If you don't want to HR train - don't.

If you say you want to then don't stick to it then do then don't then do etc etc ad infinitum then those trying really hard to stick to it may comment as their help/advice would appear to be falling on deaf ears. These comments are not meant in an inappropriate or nasty way but as a bit of a gee up (for me anyway).

Personally any help is very much appreciated and I try my best to stick to something to see if it works for me. If it doesn't I will try something different. I have learnt loads on this thread, what to do and what not to do. Balance is good. I would be a worse runner without it.
However, I really hope I haven't upset anyone, if I have I'm really sorry.
Oct 2007
12:22pm, 25 Oct 2007
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I have a question or two:

Was anyone offended by my behaviour or anyone elses for that matter yesterday?
Did anyone think that the light hearted banter (my opinion) was getting too much?
Oct 2007
12:23pm, 25 Oct 2007
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Boingy
I think this thread warrants a pair of these.

(*)(*)

:-)
Oct 2007
12:26pm, 25 Oct 2007
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Boingy
As far as I'm concerned you were absolutely fine Ian, and full of great advice as usual. Hendo on the other hand....well....;-)

As you were.
Oct 2007
12:41pm, 25 Oct 2007
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eL Bee!
Jude - I completely agree with you - If you want to HR train - then do so. If not - don't!
I do!
And I've benefitted hugely from it.
I don't however stick to the letter of Parker with regard to it, because it is too limiting, and the thread is about Heart Rate training - not just about Parker! Although the structure he offers is a sound one in making people think about the way they train, it is not the only way to train using a HRM.
A recovery ceiling run does NOT become junk miles or useless as a Base building run if you po up to 75% on occasion..... that is physiological rubbish!
But is is like saying the Speed limit it X - because people will exceed it!
I completely understand the frustrations of people who find running slowly interminably boring. But when you are starting the adaptive process it is the BEST way of maximising your benefit gains....

Now perhaps it's because I'm on nights and tired. But *I* found yesterday distasteful.

And I hope that this thread is, in fact, a forum for discussing HR training as well as supporting people who choose to use that structure for their training!
Hendo and Ian - it's nothing at all to do with having no sense of humour. I was making what I believe was a valid observation.

And as far as I'm aware the thread isn't called - Heart Rate Training the Parker way and Only the Parker Way
:P

I'd better go to bed
Oct 2007
12:53pm, 25 Oct 2007
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Velociraptor
Yes, I thought the thread became quite unpleasant yesterday. Though personally I think Hellen's been a bit soft in coming back here repeatedly knowing that certain people on this thread will put the boot into her training.

I was rather disappointed at some of those who joined in, but at the same time I know what the thread's for and that it's not a place for anyone who doesn't train Parker-style, and how frustrating it can be to feel that you're repeating the same message over and over again and not being heard.

However, training Parker-style, though a very good framework and something I wish I'd known about when I first started running, isn't for everyone. I have no regrets about not persevering with it, and have been running high mileage, mostly in the Grey Zone, without injury for well over a year, and my race times are improving.

Anyway ... it's supposed to be FUN, isn't it?

(*)(*)
Oct 2007
1:13pm, 25 Oct 2007
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Nobody "puts the boot in " here as I see it. I apologise if that's the way people see my posts.

I think some people are taking things a little too seriously to be honest. Yes I agree this is a forum for discussing HRM training and Parker isn't the only way but one way nevertheless that lot's of us use.

My observation is that today for some reason this discussion has gone off discussion of HRM training albeit in a light hearted manner to ranting about people's perception of what is humour and what isn't. It may or may not have been fun yesterday BUT it certainly isn't now! :-(

Now of course nobody will dare post something that may be seen as joking for fear of upsetting people. I think that's sad...
Oct 2007
1:16pm, 25 Oct 2007
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eL Bee!
My fault that, Ian
My apologies

I'm away now :)

About This Thread

Maintained by Elderberry
Everything you need to know about training with a heart rate monitor. Remember the motto "I can maintain a fast pace over the race distance because I am an Endurance God". Mind the trap door....

Gobi lurks here, but for his advice you must first speak his name. Ask and you shall receive.

A quote:

"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach

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