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Apr 2017
8:10pm, 7 Apr 2017
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Chrisull
RIC - I agree TV programmes (it was Horizon but still), are not great. I believe it was the program from 2012 referenced here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17177251, and has some of the facts.

I think it specifically referenced HIT, they referenced a study, they made caveats - it wasn't it had zero effect, but specifically there was a small proportion of people for who it had no training effect. I can't find any reference to the study, so maybe it has been repudiated, had too small a sample, etc etc, but it mentioned (as it does in the above link) that it was down to genes as to the effect experienced. Problem is of course journalist with limited understanding of the science might draw conclusions that aren't there to be drawn.
Apr 2017
8:16pm, 7 Apr 2017
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Chrisull
But - the bottom line is, I keep on seeing Maffetone quoted as a running guru, and quite a bit of what he says his contentious and some of it is almost outright quackery.

Running at one low speed without ANY variation - based SOLELY on your age and not on resting heart rate or maximum heart rate, it might still aid you aerobically - but is sub-optimal, and there are plenty of studies to back me up on that.
Apr 2017
8:43pm, 7 Apr 2017
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Julii
I reckon a special circle in runners hell is reserved for Maffletone. ;-)
Apr 2017
9:17pm, 7 Apr 2017
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Ninky Nonk
Have you all read maffs endurance training and racing book?

My own view is most of the stuff in the book on the whole is very sensible and excellent advice.

He doesn't actually say you have to run at one pace all the time - he covers intervals and speedwork too. He just puts more emphasis on the aerobic work - which is exactly where the emphasis should be.

The sections on overtraining are excellent.

I think the book was written at a time when carb intake was being overemphasised so you have to read the sections on eating more fats in that context. Personally I have found that eating a greater proportion of healthy fats in my diet has improved my general health. It's not that I don't eat carbs just try to moderate and eat loads of fruit/veg good fats plenty of healthy protein.

Extreme views on anything are best avoided. Diets included. Excluding major food groups totally is probably a bad idea for most.

Of course the heart rate calculation is a bit of nonsense but no more than any other arbitrary heart rate zone calculations . For most people it'll get you in the right ball park which is close enough. Of course you could just run to feel but this is probably the wrong forum for that...
Apr 2017
9:47pm, 7 Apr 2017
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Fenland (Fenners) Runner
Top post NN :) *thumbs up*
Apr 2017
10:44pm, 7 Apr 2017
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Dvorak
I had a quick look at Chris's Maffetone link and my thought was that throughout history people have come up with all sorts of specious bullshit and got some people to believe it, and here's some more of it. Further, I don't need to waste my time reading anything else whatsoever from him.
Apr 2017
7:23am, 8 Apr 2017
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RunningInCircles
I agree with NN to an extent.
I do not follow Maffetone. But I have actually read his book. (Back to maximising knowledge again)

He was a pioneer of heart rate training, therefore working with a vast amount of unknown factors initially. So some of what he thought will bound to have needed correction or improvement over the years. Same has happened to many others in other fields.
As for that HIIT link. Was that supposed to be related to carbohydrate intake or fat adaptation in any way? Because if so, I think you need to look at the way the ADP => ATP reaction can occur and over what timescales.
Aerobic training that looks only at the heart and lungs, is missing part of the picture. The transport of oxygen is _only_ important in its ability to facilitate a chemical reaction. That can be quite complex. Have a look at the Krebs Cycle for an idea.
Now, that is beyond the scope of this thread, as it is based on heart rate training.

But, as nutrition and fat utilisation was brought up, I will add to the knowledge base a little.
If you genuinely want to know about some of this stuff beyond what is on the BBC I can point you in the direction of some good material to get you started when I am back from holidays in a week or so...
Apr 2017
7:59am, 8 Apr 2017
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Ninky Nonk
It’s much easier not to know things sometimes.
Apr 2017
8:09am, 8 Apr 2017
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RunningInCircles
Aaah, yes I get that NN :-)
Doing things because they are sub optimal, knowing they are, but doing so because they bring you pleasure, is perfectly acceptable. :-)

Or at least that's what I tell myself :-p
Apr 2017
8:15am, 8 Apr 2017
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Chrisull
RIC - Any links you have are most welcome, I am always ready to learn more . I'm on holiday now for a week anyway, so there's no hurry.

And yes nothing wrong for running for pleasure, but then if I do that I leave the HRM strap at home in its box...

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Everything you need to know about training with a heart rate monitor. Remember the motto "I can maintain a fast pace over the race distance because I am an Endurance God". Mind the trap door....

Gobi lurks here, but for his advice you must first speak his name. Ask and you shall receive.

A quote:

"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach

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