Jan 2016
10:27pm, 26 Jan 2016
16,981 posts
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GlennR
Isn't that just Greene King in one of its many guises?
Good of them to put your picture on the pump flanker.
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Jan 2016
11:21am, 27 Jan 2016
31,751 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
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Jan 2016
4:37pm, 27 Jan 2016
202 posts
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dibbers
Was thinking about heart rate training this morning -if you do an out and back or circular route, your raised heart rate going up a hill will average out with your reduced heart rate going down a hill.
But of course it won't, because you'll spend longer running up the hill than you would running down it, so that means you'll spend a longer time with the raised heart rate, which will skew your overall average.
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Jan 2016
4:43pm, 27 Jan 2016
5,298 posts
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paul the builder
In any case, if you want to spend an hour (say) training in a particular 'zone', then time spent above that zone does not 'cancel' or 'offset' time spent below the zone. What I mean is - a training session cannot just be categorised according to the average HR at the end of it. You could spend the hour doing hard reps and recoveries, running up and down hills, WU/tempo/WD, or just run easy - and come out with basically the same average for the hour. But they're very different training effects.
So back to your example - slow down uphill to maintain HR at the target number, and speed up downhill to do the same.
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Jan 2016
6:25pm, 27 Jan 2016
17,006 posts
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GlennR
Wise words. Even doing run-walk, as I do at the moment, I try to keep HR in zone for the run sections, if it's that sort of session.
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Jan 2016
9:37am, 28 Jan 2016
203 posts
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dibbers
Paul the builder. Understood. it was more a theoretical point than a practical one as my sessions are more like your last paragraph than the firsts.
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Jan 2016
12:09pm, 28 Jan 2016
31,765 posts
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Hills of Death (HOD)
Totally agree Paulso many people at my club I believe spend the majority of their workout in the higher HR zone for a general run and talk about their pb on that route some of them can't even recreate the pace on a 5k/10k lol
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Feb 2016
8:13pm, 1 Feb 2016
105 posts
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Spen71
Hi. Last night I did 8 miles at 75% of max. This pace come out at 830 min mile. Tonight I did 10 miles for the same heart rate and it come out at 915 min mile. Is this normal to have such a big variation?
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Feb 2016
8:30pm, 1 Feb 2016
17,045 posts
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GlennR
In short, yes. Especially if you do long sessions two days running.
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Feb 2016
1:38pm, 2 Feb 2016
383 posts
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Cog Niscencsme
I agree, previous training history does have an impact. I've seen a 30 second drop in pace on subsequent days though the experiment isn't well enough controlled to be precise.
I've also notice that repeated hard training can make it go the other way and for a few brief moments you live in the pleasant illusion that you're getting better. Then you realise that you're probably just overtraining.
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