Fun with Cadence :-)

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larkim
larkim
Feb 2020
1:28pm, 21 Feb 2020
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larkim
OK, so that means that for my pace 9:20 to 9:01, my average cadence is 180. But that when I run with a cadence of 180, my average pace is 8:33 (outside the pace bucket).

When my pace is 8:40 to 8:21, my average is 182, and when I run 182 my average pace is 8:26 (inside the pace bucket).

The second one makes sense, the first one makes me scratch my head!
Wriggling Snake
Wriggling Snake
Feb 2020
2:41pm, 21 Feb 2020
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Wriggling Snake
I would have thought things like the terrain and wind come into an absolute interpretation of the numbers. I have looked at mine over 4 months and there is definite change around 170 where my stride lengthens as well as pace increases but I seem to run well at around 9mm, a nice cadence and stride length.

Seeing as my fitness has taken a huge knock lately it will be interesting to see how this changes...I suspect the efficient pace will come down..
puzzler
puzzler
Feb 2020
3:07pm, 21 Feb 2020
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puzzler
Likewise for me it needs to be viewed sideways on mobile.

Interestingly as pace increase both stride length and cadence increase fairly uniformly for me. I don’t know what that says about my (lack of) running efficiency.
Wriggling Snake
Wriggling Snake
Feb 2020
7:16pm, 22 Feb 2020
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Wriggling Snake
Did intervals this morning....you can see a definite increase in cadence as I complete each effort, further to that you can see a slight increase across all the efforts. The last was the quickest and highest cadence. Nice. I think
Chrisull
Chrisull
Feb 2020
11:23am, 25 Feb 2020
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Chrisull
This is interesting. NOW if you could correlate with HR data when that was available, that would be very, very interesting :-). i.e. seeing if there was a sweet spot where speed is higher, but HR slightly lower

In theory this DOES exist I believe, apparently, if you shorten your stride ever so slightly and up cadence and speed slightly, then many people find they are more energy efficient in studies (don't ask me to link, as this was years ago I saw - probably from the POSE kinda threads and it is a bump, not a whole linear trajectory, just above your normal cadence/pace)
fetcheveryone
fetcheveryone
Feb 2020
1:21pm, 25 Feb 2020
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fetcheveryone
I've added beats per mile to the table, for those of you that have HR as well as cadence on your watches.
theOtherRichard
theOtherRichard
Feb 2020
2:13pm, 25 Feb 2020
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theOtherRichard
@larkim - that's got to be a sample size anomaly, hasn't it? And the fact that you are looking at two very different things, even though the underlying data is the same, it has been sliced and diced differently to show two discrete measures that can't be/shouldn't be (?) compared with each other.

For example, I seem to run most (55%) of my miles at a cadence of 160-162 with most of the rest (30%) at 158 or 164
Oddly, my cadence is very, very consistent across my paces - 12mm to 7:20mm - the only real variable is stride length*.
When I'm running at 7:20, my cadence is 164 - but crucially, I have only run 1.7M (1%) at that pace. It gets lumped into a 164 bucket that also contains another 18M at other paces. That's going to dilute/distort the average, isn't it?

* I have no idea if that is a Good Thing or a Bad Thing, it just looks a bit weird.
theOtherRichard
theOtherRichard
Feb 2020
2:15pm, 25 Feb 2020
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theOtherRichard
I should add, I like the analysis. It looks interesting.

I have no idea what (if anything) I'm going to do with the information, but I do like it! :-)
larkim
larkim
Feb 2020
2:19pm, 25 Feb 2020
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larkim
Possibly Richard. The 9:20-9:01 bucket is 8.6 miles or just short of 4.5% of total activities. Whereas the 180 cadence / 8m33 avg pace is just over 15% of my miles at 29.7miles. So there is definitely scope for skewed averages with mixed populations.
Chrisull
Chrisull
Feb 2020
5:49pm, 25 Feb 2020
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Chrisull
Thanks fetch! Excellent.

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