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Advanced Marathoning by P&D Any tried the schedules?

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Dec 2008
7:13pm, 21 Dec 2008
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Homer
But a good one Marts
Dec 2008
9:12pm, 21 Dec 2008
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lunaman
i'm not posting here until tomorrow then ;-)
Dec 2008
12:04am, 22 Dec 2008
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IanRunner
When I was doing the schedule last year I did do a race then the long run the next day. Well it was actually a time trial as I couldnt find a race. I did it twice and I have to admit it was quite hard.

I think the main reason P&D suggest this is so you get used to running on tired legs, similar to what you feel like later on in a marathon. Im sure this is is discussed somewhere in the book.

My pace for the long run was fairly decent on both of them. I was training to heart rate on my long runs and it wasnt much slower than I would normally do. I have to admit my legs were sore and tired. I felt fine but my legs and felt like they would only go at a certain pace. Even though they were time trials I still got pb's both times . I also did intervals the same week.

It does work, its the best schedule I have followed. Im hoping for their other book for xmas, so I can follow their schedules for shorter distances.
Dec 2008
12:43am, 22 Dec 2008
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Keefy Beefy
I'm yet to complete one but still feel it must be the best because I've followed a few plans and this one is clearly a little harder than most. It might not look like it at first but it is in terms of total mileage and time required.

I second the point that many recommendations in the book don't make it into the plans but (going by memory) they also state that in the first pass they didn't even make schedules. But people demanded it so they tried - and of course you then have to accept lots of compromise, such as no 25K races (which they say are the best tune-up races but are probably quite scarce for most people) and so on.
Dec 2008
7:14am, 22 Dec 2008
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And of course Pete Pfitzinger never trained like he advises in the book...
Dec 2008
7:26am, 22 Dec 2008
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My 18wk plan for flm started this morning, though not P&D :-(. I had the P&D book and found it a very good read. Of all the plans I've read (together with feedback) the P&D plan is, I think, the best plan out there! That said there was no way I'd be able to follow it - in particular the longer runs during the week.
Good luck to all the flm'ers following the 18wk P&D plan
Dec 2008
11:17am, 22 Dec 2008
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MattTheRat
The classic part of the 18 week up to 70 mpw plan is that it starts today (for FLM) with a rest day! I've modified the plan a bit in the following ways:

Mon: Not always a rest day - if I have a light weekend, then I'll run at lunchtime
Tue: Club night down the track, plus sometimes a double.
Wed: Midweek long run home from work
Thu: Easy lunchtime run
Fri: Tempo
Sat: Easy, or hillwork instead of the Sat races
Sun: Long run

Then trying to sort out the weekly miles and sessions a bit to match the progression in the P&D plan.
Dec 2008
11:22am, 22 Dec 2008
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BlueWombat
doing 70 mpw P&D in prep for Boston (then London), so I am a week ahead of most here, I guess. Didn't wuite manage the full 53 miles of the first week, missed one, but 48 was o.k.

will probably do a 5 mile recover today 'though.
Dec 2008
1:24pm, 22 Dec 2008
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lunaman
Oh yes, rest day, phew! Day one complete.
Hillwork in place of Saturday races looks a good idea too.
Dec 2008
10:18pm, 22 Dec 2008
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MattTheRat
I did 8 miles of hilly off-road at 7:30 pace - not exactly a rest day. Hills meant splits varied from 7mm to 8:30mm

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