Oct 2008
8:58pm, 9 Oct 2008
4,245 posts
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hellen
I am a slower runner and kind of followed P and D. I did my last marathon in 4.15. I made a few changes to the midweek runs because it was difficult finding the time to do things like 14 mile midweek runs when I am so slow. What I did though was to work out what time it would take an 8/mile runner to do those runs (as I think that is prob more the kind of audience he is aiming his book at) and then make sure I did that amount of time on my feet as a minimum.
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Oct 2008
9:49pm, 9 Oct 2008
31 posts
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brighton belle
Thanks Stephen, I'd rather add miles than speedwork but it's not really practical so I'll have to have a think. What I wasn't very good at when I followed the plan before was doing my LSR as progressive runs so that's definitely an improvement I can make.
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Oct 2008
9:54pm, 9 Oct 2008
250 posts
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Pricey_
I only started running progressive runs a couple of months ago. I never ran these during marathon prep.
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Oct 2008
9:24am, 10 Oct 2008
177 posts
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StuartM
I have been following 18/55 plan for my second marathon at Abingdon, I feel it has worked really well for me. Did 3:48 for my first and looking to do 3:30 this time. Training for my first marathon I used an RW schedule and struggled toward the end of the 20 mile lsr each time, now with progressive runs I finish a lot stronger at the end of them. The only hard part for me was at the start in trying to decide on the pace of each session, I am reading Daniels formula at the moment and I think I will follow the same P&D program but use Daniels to determine pace and change the VDOT every 6 weeks to speed things up. I have really enjoyed this shedule, though during the initial endurance phase I did start to wonder if I was getting slower, but having stuck with it I think it definately worked for me. They dont really state who it is aimed at but a 3 hour runner is obviously going to get a lot more from it than a 6 hour runner, the rest of us in the middle will get varying returns. I think they do say at the beginning you should be on 35+ miles a week before starting.
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Oct 2008
9:27am, 10 Oct 2008
6,463 posts
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Homer
Good luck at abingdon Stuart
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Oct 2008
2:00pm, 10 Oct 2008
861 posts
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Good luck Stuart. I have used P&D plans with Daniels vdot for the pacing and it works very well. I didn't bother changing my vdot every 6 weeks. just waited till I'd raced and then modified my training paces if necessary. Currently getting close to finishing a 10 week base training schedule from P&D's Road Racing book, and then will race to get a suitable vdot for starting my marathon training.
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Nov 2008
8:16am, 4 Nov 2008
566 posts
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Ex-pat Scot
New P&D book out soon- I'm waiting for it before I splash the cash
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Nov 2008
8:21am, 4 Nov 2008
10,117 posts
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I had a look at the contents, I think it is a fairly minor update/rejiggle - don't think it is majorly different
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Nov 2008
8:31am, 4 Nov 2008
2,830 posts
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Marts
starting the 24w 55-70M schedule monday. bit concerned about minimal speedwork but will give it a go
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Nov 2008
8:33am, 4 Nov 2008
563 posts
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B Rubble
P&D 2nd Edition: Table of Contents Part I: Training Components Chapter 1. Elements of Training Chapter 2. Nutrition and Hydration Chapter 3. Balancing Training and Recovery Chapter 4. Supplementary Training Chapter 5. Tapering for Peak Marathon Performance Chapter 6. Race-Day Strategy
Part II: Training Programs Chapter 7. Following the Schedules Chapter 8. Marathon Training on Up to 55 Miles (90 km) per Week Chapter 9. Marathon Training on 55 to 70 Miles (85 to 110 km) per Week Chapter 10. Marathon Training on 70-85Miles (110-135 km) per Week Chapter 11. Marathon Training on More than 85 Miles per Week Chapter 12. Multiple Marathoning
I think Chapters 10 & 11 are different mileage wise.
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