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Advanced Marathoning by P&D Any tried the schedules?

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Oct 2008
1:51pm, 3 Oct 2008
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Pricey_
hmmmm, half my post seems to have been cut off. I'll try to continue...
Oct 2008
1:55pm, 3 Oct 2008
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Having used one of the schedules for a marathon and now having run the marathon I would put something up, however, I could just redirect you to my blog entry around the 2xth September and save myself typing it all again!
Oct 2008
1:58pm, 3 Oct 2008
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Pricey_
...which leaves under 3 miles warm down.

I wanted to include both tempo & VO2 sessions each week so doubled the medium-long run as a VO2 session (it's hard work, but worth it). This left the only option to have the long run on Sunday as a progressive run. I also added the second double day (one was included from the Advanced Marathoning schedule) and feel this has given my endurance a boost.

In terms of improvements, my 5k has improved from 16:55 (July) to 16:19 (September). I knocked a minute off my 10k PB in August and am looking to swipe another 1:30 off that next week. And I'm looking to improve my half mara PB by 2 minutes later this month.

I also ran a 19.6 mile stage of the Round Norfolk Relay last month and given my longest training run since FLM is 17 miles, was a bit concerned about the distance. I treated it as a progressive long run and ran the first 8 miles or so at an easy pace before winding it up. I finished strong (running under 6 minute miles for the last 6) and could've kept going. My average pace for the whole run was only 2 seconds slower than my mara PB.

To anyone who has tried Advanced Marathoning but now wants to focus on something shorter, buy Road Racing for Serious Runners. It's an excellent book and if you follow the guidance, I'm certain you'll improve.

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Oct 2008
2:05pm, 3 Oct 2008
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Good post there SP!
Oct 2008
2:07pm, 3 Oct 2008
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Pricey_
Jacobi, have just read your post marathon blog and it's very interesting.

On the quality v quantity debate, I hope I've gone for a mix. You can see I'm running around 70+ MPW. I used the same marathon schedule as you for FLM and found 70MPW a nice volume. However, I've tried to add the second quality session so I'm running two speedwork (3 if you include the strides session) sessions a week. If your body recovers sufficiently quickly from the Weds session, it's a beneficial addition.

I also like the tactic you employed to running the marathon, to discover how your body coped. I've run two marathons now and have suffered badly with stitches from 20 miles onwards in both. I put this down to lucozade sport drinks & gels. I'm currently experiementing to see how much I can push it without taking onboard added fuel. I only take water on my 17 mile long runs and only had one gel on the aforementioned 19.6 mile RNR stage.
Oct 2008
2:11pm, 3 Oct 2008
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Lucozade gels might need water with them--I use SIS go gels as I know they don't need water.
I think the key is to practise whatever you are going to use in training,

I agree on adding the quality though, I didn't add any more as it was enough the first time to deal with the quantity.
Oct 2008
2:22pm, 3 Oct 2008
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Pricey_
Agree, probably one thing I could've said there is that using a schedule for a marathon and then stopping isn't sufficient. Yuo need to continue the theory beyond the target marathon, which is why RR4SR is such a good book. Like you, I went from 40mpw to 70mpw following the P&D schedule, but I've now set 70mpw as my base mileage. Initially, that step up was very tiring and I couldn't have coped with more speedwork at the time.
Oct 2008
2:50pm, 3 Oct 2008
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Homer
So...........all you P&D folk....can we have a simple poll please?

Do you feel that the schedule helped you achieve your best at the time?
Oct 2008
2:56pm, 3 Oct 2008
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Keefy Beefy
I would be very interested in whether you think you could have got the same result with less mileage. Or was the high mileage truly essential.
Oct 2008
3:00pm, 3 Oct 2008
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Pricey_
H > Yes

KB > Mileage is essential, "high" is a matter of opinion. when I first started running 50 mpw I thought that was high, now I'm running 70mpw and 60 miles is a cut back "easy" week. Someone like Gobi, running 100+mpw probably considers 70 miles easy. The more you run, the better you will get. However, the more mileage you add, the less effect it has. I would recommend running as much as you can fit in around your life without getting injured.

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