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Advanced Marathoning by P&D Any tried the schedules?

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Jun 2008
7:48pm, 7 Jun 2008
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IanRunner
Tinytia,

I did my general aerobic runs at sub 70% WHR most of of the time and it worked fine for me. I think its particularly useful for this schedule as it is a hard one to do, especially later on in the schedule. I think they mention to do them how you feel. As you get faster later on in the schedule they wont feel like recovery runs anyway as your pace will probably have improved.

As for pace today, dont be too concerned about. You are training to heart rate so as long as you are staying in the correct zone for the run dont be concerned about anything else, you can only train to one or the other. You might be faster than you think!

Ian.
Jun 2008
7:56pm, 7 Jun 2008
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As Ian suggests it's not really helpful to you (I mean anyone) to try to run to HR and Pace or correlate them in order to target a session. YOu either run to a specific heart rate and ignore the pace or run to a specific pace and ignore the heart rate.

Genreal aerobic runs have a wide range really depending on what you want the training effect to be. I think P&D suggest anything from nice and easy pace up to a threshold run. I tend to do general aerobic runs as steady paced, not tooo easy but not too hard perceived effort and completely ignore the heart rate. A general aerobic is not a recovery run you see.

I'd advise doing recovery runs to less than 70% if you are using HR or at a very very easy pace if you are using pace.

General aerobic are what you might term grey runs BUT they have their purpose depending upon where you are in your training. My GA pace is about 7:40 ish pace usually...The hills can make it slower though...
Jun 2008
11:03pm, 7 Jun 2008
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Tinytia
Evening folks
Thanks for all the replies :-)
My recovery run was sub 70% and LSR worked out well P&D style with first portion -20% of MP and latter part -10% of MP all well within the HR range averaging at 71& HR.
Gonna have a think about the GA HR efforts and see if I can do the club run, but if not then will give the club a miss for a while.
Jun 2008
11:05pm, 7 Jun 2008
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Tinytia
Sorry Hellen, to answer your question
Yes I could drop down a group at club, but the reason I'm liking the club session at the moment is because I feel the group I'm in is comfortably hard and we tend to run off road/hills which I benefit leg strength from.
Again just another aspect of training to have a think about ;-)
Jun 2008
12:09am, 8 Jun 2008
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IanRunner
Tiny,

I think you have got to decide what you think is most important. I got through it with injuries and got the time I wanted for my marathon. That was following it virtually as it is in the book, apart from the strides and the final week, which I now wish I had followed.
So it does work the way it is but I can understand you still wanting to go to the club sessions.

The only thing I would say is the P&D schedule is hard especially when you get to midway onwards .

Anyone tried their half marathon schedules?
Jun 2008
12:10am, 8 Jun 2008
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IanRunner
Sorry should have said no injuries. Stupid, too much to drink...
Jun 2008
10:54am, 9 Jun 2008
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Pricey_
bit late to this one but GA should be kept below 80% HR really. Marathon pace would be about 85-87%.

I trained by pace with the P&D schedules, rather than HR. HR can be effected by too many variables, weather, route profile, illness etc. Pace is a constant. I calculate my training paces using the Jack Daniels VDOT method so combine P&D with JD. It has worked well for me - I enjoy training in this way.
Jun 2008
10:56am, 9 Jun 2008
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paul a
Thats how I do it too SP, works for me.
Jun 2008
10:57am, 9 Jun 2008
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SP - I trained by vdot paces as well, but having spent several weeks injured now I think I'm going to use HR when I start back in training, until I can get a race in and then go back to vdot paces.
Jun 2008
10:59am, 9 Jun 2008
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Me too Paul a and DP :-)

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