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Advanced Marathoning by P&D Any tried the schedules?

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Oct 2019
8:49pm, 27 Oct 2019
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larkim
If you think about planning the long runs sensibly there's no reason no to go longer for all of the P&D long runs. It's all about recovery I suppose.
Oct 2019
8:42am, 28 Oct 2019
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HappyG(rrr)
Most of us who have done P&D multiple times have upgraded the 17, 18, 19 milers to 20 or more. I don't know that it makes much difference, but psychologically I liked to have plenty of 20 milers in my plan. I've done a few 21, 22, 23 but usually by accident (!) I don't think it's *necessary* to go over 20 ish miles, as the total volume and repeated MLR (mid long run) midweek of 13-16 miles plus weekend long run give you plenty of endurance.

Up to you though. The thread that has most experience with P&D is probably sub 3:15 thread. I think the sub 3 thread probably have lots of folk doing more customized training plans.

Finally, I upped from the up to 55 to the 55-70 mile plan to get my best marathon (scraped a sub 3). But it depends on how close to the limit you are. Sub 3 was a bit of a zenith for me, so I needed the total volume to improve. Having done the 35-55 plan a couple times before I felt I needed to step up to get more in my race. Good luck. :-) G
Oct 2019
9:25am, 28 Oct 2019
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Velociraptor
As an oldster, I'm planning to have a play with the practicalities of incorporating all the key sessions by, say, using a P&D 12-week marathon training plan but stretching it out to 15 or 16 weeks (my attention span for marathon training tops out at that point). I suspect the tricky bit will be resisting shoving a hard cross training or weights session into the additional easy/rest days.
Oct 2019
11:44am, 28 Oct 2019
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Hills of Death (HOD)
I've been coached recently in time by a guy I felt it was short of miles but did have loads of hills every week that made me stronger.
Oct 2019
11:51am, 28 Oct 2019
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HappyG(rrr)
Many ways to skin the cat. Midweek mid long run was hardest for me to fit in, but very beneficial. And tempos and long marathon Pace also hard, but valuable, I think. No hills in P&D but they do say it's a type of strength work (which they recommend but most people miss or ignore).

Rest super important, imho. But I do gym work on my rest day. It's not cardio and it tends to be core and not much legs, so counts as a rest, imho! And I'm an oldster too, of course V'rap! :-) G
Oct 2019
11:58am, 28 Oct 2019
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Velociraptor
Hills are in the latest edition of P&D. Not sure whether I'll bother including them; can't do everything!
Oct 2019
12:10pm, 28 Oct 2019
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Hills of Death (HOD)
My coach is all for Hills instead of speedwork for Marathon training.

But one 3 hour run in prep for a marathon err no

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