4:30 Marathon Thread
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Jan 2020
8:02pm, 12 Jan 2020
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Love Lettuce
Hi Tommy, I've been reading more Hal Higdon and he suggests thay for beginners, long runs might be closer to target marathon pace because the target pace is conservative - it's designed to be a pace the runner is confident that they can maintain with sufficient endurance training. Which explains why he's not that specific about it in his plans!
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Jan 2020
10:24pm, 12 Jan 2020
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tommy_b
Yes I'm getting that across the general approach to most plans. I'll go for some slower long runs but it gets to the point that if I go much slower - and crucially, doing it at a low HR/zone anyway - it just becomes a nonsense.
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Jan 2020
7:53am, 13 Jan 2020
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DocM
Thats very interesting. I would certainly be walking if i went much slower
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Jan 2020
8:38pm, 13 Jan 2020
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FenlandRunner
It's probably more of a skill to run slowly (compared to your average pace) than fast. I regret running my long runs too quickly. But we all take our own paths. |
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Jan 2020
8:57pm, 13 Jan 2020
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Rosehip
ooo, this is an interesting thread I hadn't found before - 4.30 is even less likely that the sub 5 that I'd love to be able to do - but long runs at 11.25-12.50mm I can do  Going to add this to my watch list, very aspirational target - but not for this year! |
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Jan 2020
9:25pm, 13 Jan 2020
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tommy_b
Long runs that max out at 16miles on the method I’m following... this’ll be interesting. therunningdad.co.uk |
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Jan 2020
9:30pm, 13 Jan 2020
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FenlandRunner
There are many different ways to train for a marathon. From personal experience, not running further than 16 miles in 'training', wouldn't cut it for me both in terms of psychology and physiology. Just look at the vast number of people that really slow up from mile 20... I wonder why that is? |
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Jan 2020
9:32pm, 13 Jan 2020
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FenlandRunner
...and V'Rap will really detest this, but a few runs monitoring HR will really show whether your 'easy' runs really are 'easy'?
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Jan 2020
9:35pm, 13 Jan 2020
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tommy_b
Oh I certainly think that the psychology of only running 16 miles will be a struggle, especially since Brighton has the “fun” end section around the power station with minimal crowds. However the philosophy of the 16 miles is that you do it on tired legs, so your cumulative fatigue & training helps you train for the conditions experienced in the final 16 miles of a marathon. That make sense? So it’s not doing a long run of 20 miles on fresh legs but then struggling race day to kick on ... you start a long run tired already. |
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Jan 2020
9:38pm, 13 Jan 2020
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FenlandRunner
There is more to it than tired legs, there is simulating the low glycogen levels and being trained to cope with the stress and developing strategies to negate the effect.
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