Heart rate
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Apr 2017
6:51pm, 21 Apr 2017
408 posts
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J2R
SPR, I agree beats per mile is a useful metric for monitoring improved fitness. But I find it can be skewed by various things. For example, although in theory it should result in similar figures whatever pace you're running, as you are working your heart less at slower paces, I find that I get lower figures when running fast. I get around 950 or so at race pace under favourable conditions, but maybe 100 or so beats per mile more than that on easy training runs. Also hilly courses and warm temperatures push it up. Of course, the same kind of skewing applies to heart rate, and beats per mile is as good a measure as any, as long as you remember to compare like with like.
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Apr 2017
6:57pm, 21 Apr 2017
23,874 posts
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SPR
J2R - Agree but as I don't race with HRM I only look at BPM on easy runs or long runs. A slight aside. Chris mentioned faster long runs somewhere, and I was going to say long runs don't necessarily have to be easy or even the same every week, depends what you're trying to work on. |
Apr 2017
7:01pm, 21 Apr 2017
11,972 posts
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Fenland (Fenners) Runner
Agree again my beats per minute get better with pace. So I only compare similar sorts of runs for improvements or decline.
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Apr 2017
7:55pm, 21 Apr 2017
410 posts
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J2R
SPR, FWIW I always wear a heart rate monitor while racing, but I never actually check my heart rate during the race. It's only for analysis after the event, which I find interesting and useful.
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Apr 2017
3:50pm, 24 Apr 2017
10,863 posts
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Chrisull
So I'm seeing the "holy grail" of HRM training, doing the same route every fortnight, same pace, and my average HR has dropped from 134 to 127 at the same 9.30ish pace, regularly dropping a beat or two every week. But what does this mean ultimately? Are some, none or all of the below true? a) That I'm getting fitter? b) That I'm simply more efficient at running slowly? d) That my max heart rate has dropped and it's a reflection of that? e) That my ability to run long distances is improving - mitochondria, cardiac improvements or whatever etc ? f) That these gains are definitely translatable across the board to being able to run faster and more efficiently at higher heart rates? f) is what I want, but I have a nagging doubt it's b) that is the only one that's true. Tell me I'm wrong (or right) or neither? |
Apr 2017
3:54pm, 24 Apr 2017
11,162 posts
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Bazoaxe
Apart from d I think it's a combination of all. Well start from c which you didn't tell us what it is  My experience has been that training this way means I get faster across the board. Not totally sharp without speed work mind. |
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Apr 2017
3:59pm, 24 Apr 2017
23,933 posts
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SPR
As a basic all you need is a session of sprints per week to stay fairly sharp. Peaking is a different matter.
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Apr 2017
3:59pm, 24 Apr 2017
23,934 posts
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SPR
And maybe a progressive run.
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Apr 2017
4:21pm, 24 Apr 2017
10,865 posts
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Chrisull
I have a session of sprints yes - will be returning to Billat 30/30s
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Apr 2017
5:19pm, 24 Apr 2017
421 posts
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J2R
If my calf is OK to run on on Wednesday evening (I hurt it a bit by running the last few miles hard after cramp in an HM a couple of weeks ago), I'll be able to test out an interesting training experiment (forced on me by circumstances rather than conscious choice). I normally follow a polarized training programme, with the great majority of my training below my first ventilatory threshold and a small amount of high-intensity - typically the Billat sprints Chrisull mentioned, longer 10K pace reps or hill sprints. But to nurse my calf I've only been doing the easy stuff, no speedwork at all, for the last couple of weeks. I've added in 60 miles or so of easy cycling each week (just for pleasure really, not as training per se). On Wednesday I hope to be running a 5 mile race, and I'll be interested to see how I do just on the basis of easy stuff for a period. It is only just over 2 weeks so far, but this is just the point I would be doing sharpening stuff to peak on race day. I'm hopeful I won't have lost any fitness since the HM, but I'll know by mid Wednesday evening! |
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