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Mar 2015
5:17pm, 24 Mar 2015
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GlennR
I'm not sure what you're bringing over from the Garmin into Fetch. By clicking on my log month by month I can see all my training, what sort of pace and HR and so on.

Your figures above show an improvement but the timescale is too short to generalise - if you compared something similar across weeks and months you'd see the trend.
Mar 2015
6:42pm, 24 Mar 2015
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GlennR
Sorry, my thought processes are a bit slow - if you haven't uploaded the detail to Fetch you can look at your Garmin Connect activities page.
Mar 2015
6:59pm, 24 Mar 2015
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Chrisull
I'm guessing Fetch can sync old Garmin connect data... as I've already recorded manually my run data and don't want to duplicate, I'm guessing that best bet would be to set up a dummy account and sync the account there just to analyse?

Actually I can already see it's trending better, but the half mara definitely knocked the stats out for just over 2 weeks. (which is interesting that tallies with the old rule of thumb, however many miles you race, that's the amount of time it takes to recover, which I took with a pinch of salt).

So prior to the half I see a gradual improvement, then the half knocks the stats back to worse than they were before I started, but they started picking up slowly in the 2 weeks after the half and then just suddenly this week they jumped to better than they were before at any time in the last 7 (and also I'm running less close to the 80% limit too now 77%-78%- which I know is still a bit fast, but it seems I am reducing my heart rate over time doing this, so if in a few weeks I can run the same distance/time at 75% HR I will). Long and short of it, my shortest runs used to take 40 minutes, and now take 45-50 minutes, and I can't afford for the shortest runs to take an hour. Hence I don't walk up the hills, but surely and steadily I can keep my HR within the zones on all but the steepest hills.

Ok nearly 7 weeks of data isn't a lot to go on. If it is possible to sync with old data on Fetch with a new account I'll do that.
Mar 2015
7:39pm, 24 Mar 2015
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GlennR
Give it a go :-)
Apr 2015
4:37pm, 9 Apr 2015
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Chrisull
So doing heart rate tests vs temperature, how much does that affect it, if all previous tests were at sub 10C and then you jump up to 17C..., I suppose while there is an effect, it will be different for each individual? There's no rough rule of thumb right?
Apr 2015
5:05pm, 9 Apr 2015
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Gobi
Individuals are different

I did some testing in the lab and performed similar across a range of temps from -5 to 20 whereas another chap went off as the temp dropped etc.

Usually comes down to heat/hydration/training
Apr 2015
5:07pm, 9 Apr 2015
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GlennR
Others may have a different view, but I reckon that 10C to 17C is all normal range, although an overnight jump in temp might have an impact.

Not only will it be different for each individual, it could vary with the temperature at which you do the bulk of your training.
Apr 2015
6:12pm, 9 Apr 2015
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paul the builder
Chris - I'm sure the size of everyone's response is different, but there's bound to be a tendency to have a higher HR as temperature increases from 'moderate' to 'warm', since you're going to need to pump extra blood to the skin surface for cooling, as well as the same running effort.
(what 'moderate' and 'warm' are will depend on what you're used to, amongst other things too - so it's pointless talking numbers as a rule here).

I always stuck to the HR ceiling on my general runs, and personally I did notice a reasonable drop in pace once spring turned in to summer. Perhaps 15sec/mile. But if there was a breeze, the effect could disappear to nothing (as long as the breeze is across or against, not with. I could occasionally have very odd out-and-back summer runs, where, dictated by a HR ceiling, I ran faster in to a breeze than I could with the breeze behind me.)
Apr 2015
6:30pm, 9 Apr 2015
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100forRNIB
I'm with PtB, if I want to cheat and record a low HR for pace, just run early in the morning in the winter.

The opposite would be to run in the late afternoon in the summer.

For an unfit heffalump like me the difference is marked between the two.
Apr 2015
11:31pm, 9 Apr 2015
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Chrisull
Ah it was more a question on testing, I'm happy to run at a lower pace, but at a HR test at that pace for me at 17C is notably harder (and therefore worse) than when done at 9 or 10C (my pb is set at 0C, and I describe between 0 - 5C as my ideal). I don't think it's just fitness, the club head coach speeds up in the heat, and she hates the cold, I can beat her in winter, but in summer it's reversed usually.

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Everything you need to know about training with a heart rate monitor. Remember the motto "I can maintain a fast pace over the race distance because I am an Endurance God". Mind the trap door....

Gobi lurks here, but for his advice you must first speak his name. Ask and you shall receive.

A quote:

"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach

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