Sub 3Hr Marathon

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57.5 Degrees of Pain Dec 2014 10:46pm, 4 Dec 2014 1,824 posts	0 57.5 Degrees of Pain Nothing wrong with a treadmill other than boredom (and the dangers of moving it). It is probably better for consistent pacing and a forgiving surface underfoot will avoid some injury risk. Extent of the damage would be key to time of recovery, but I can't see skiing this weekend being sensible. Also depends on whether you ski with skill and style, or blast down the slope depending on fitness and strength from running rather than technique (as I do).
gopace Dec 2014 9:16am, 5 Dec 2014 68 posts	0 gopace Haha, well first runs of the season will definitely not be stylish and with good technique so I will probably have to pass. Does feel better than expected today though (still limping, but I was afraid I would hardly be able to walk). Will have to try to be intelligent with this one, only problem is when it comes to my body and training, I just don’t do smart. Good to hear some treadmill time isn't too frowned upon - may be just what I need for recovery.
HappyG(rrr) Dec 2014 9:42am, 5 Dec 2014 23,375 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) I'd see a physio or a doctor if you have actually torn your hamstring gopace. You don't want to just self diagnose, imho. Treadmills are fine, they don't destroy anything. You need to take care with your form etc. But as said before, except for the -20C days, down to about -10C and on soft snow, rather than ice, running outdoors is fine, surely. G
gopace Dec 2014 11:42am, 5 Dec 2014 69 posts	0 gopace Yea, just called and left a message with friend who is a rehab physiotherapist about trying to do a session early next week (I guess you are supposed to wait a few days for that anyway). And, true, after starting last December, all I did was run outside the whole winter. Only problem is it can be quite wet and slushy snow here often and then running is bot super dirty and hard and not very nice at all. Plus it is always dark when you get home during the week so motivation can be a problem. I have trail shoes and ha headlamp so you can always try to find paths I guess, but when it is slushy, even that can be a challenge. So to maintain volume during the worst month, 15k at on the treadmill a few times a week in the late evening could be pretty effective I guess. Just have to get the darned thing mounted when I get back from Norway so my woman can start using it. Will be fun to try this geeky iFit thing that means you can run actual real world routs and races with positive and negative incline happening on the treadmill “live” according to real google earth data, and having pictures from google map streetview update in accordance on the projector screen in the home theatre as you run a New York Marathon stage for instance. I am quite sure it will be useless gimmickry in practice, and it will be all movies and TV Series in actuality, but on paper it sounds like fun.
HappyG(rrr) Dec 2014 12:18pm, 5 Dec 2014 23,378 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) Yeah, I was very wary of running in ice, or slippy snow (slush), especially on roads and pavements, as I didn't want to fall (obviously) but actually, even the slipping, lateral movement aggravated an old pelvis injury that I had, so I would resort to treadmill too. Longest I ever did on it was 9 miles (15km) and that was soooo dull (and lack of variation in speed, elevation and terrain def left me feeling more sore than a nice outdoor run. I guess I could/should have varied speed and elevation to make it more "realistic"?) Good luck. Hope hammy is ok too! G
daviec Dec 2014 12:44pm, 5 Dec 2014 4,836 posts	0 daviec I vary the speed on my treadmill to maintain my target HR. Used it a few times during the winter, but more when I can't get out due to family duties rather than the weather.
jdarun Dec 2014 3:45pm, 12 Dec 2014 178 posts	0 jdarun So the next marathon program is well underway for me. The 18 week Jack Daniels plan seems a little longer than some, but these few weeks before Christmas are a good time for me to get some proper training in, and I have some travel planned in Jan which will probably interrupt things a bit. 2nd proper workout of the week this morning, a few 4min intervals which seemed very fast and painless compared to how I started off last time. Of course that's no guarantee that I'll get quicker through the cycle, but it's an encouraging start. Beautiful sunny morning between the snow showers too.
speedy rob Dec 2014 6:54pm, 17 Dec 2014 57 posts	0 speedy rob I'm planning to run a second marathon: Manchester again after 3:18:?? in 2014, when I fell off the 3 hour paced group at about 18 miles (lots of excuses, but mostly flu the week before). This week I started building mileage back after a couple of months with typically a 5 miler and an 8 miler per week, but I've yet to comit to a training plan (better get the books out soon). I'm feeling good and should know better when to take it easier in training this time, but will delay entry 'till late just in case. I'm determined that my training will be consistent with sub 3 else I may not enter so please put me down for 2:55 to help spur me on. Anyone else planning to run Manchester in 2015?
K5 Gus Dec 2014 7:06pm, 17 Dec 2014 1,170 posts	0 K5 Gus Hi speedy rob, I did Manchester 2014 in 3:03 which surprised me a wee bit, in a good way ! Going back again for 2015, and hoping to improve by 8 or 9 seconds per mile Have been inhabiting the Sub 3:15 thread and just lurking here up until now, but maybe will post a bit more here as well. Started the P&D 55-70 18 week plan this week
davelord Dec 2014 8:35pm, 17 Dec 2014 213 posts	0 davelord I am in for sub 3 at Manchester, got my 1st sub 3 there in 2013 by sticking like glue to the pacer for 20 miles, i strongly recomend that method. I lost 6 month running so just getting back going and aiming for quality over quantity this time round