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2 Jun
3:37pm, 2 Jun 2025
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larkim
Lawson will be delighted with his early season move at this point!

Yuki started in the pitlane in Imola and Spain I think; he was "OK" in Monaco in quali though.

In 2025 terms, the cars line up probably as McLaren best, then maybe Mercedes slightly outpipping the RBR with the Ferrari next. Excluding Yuki, that's 7 of the top 10 places in the Q3 already taken, and if Max does have at least 0.2s on any other driver in the second car, it's not too surprising that Yuki hasn't been qualifying well.

I would like to see him get to grips with the car and put himself in a consistent position relative to Max though.
3 Jun
6:58am, 3 Jun 2025
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RunningRonnie
In the chaos with the restart, I'd forgotten about this.

During the sc and pit spots, I wondered why they didn't leave max out. Was he close enough to gain track position on lando when lando was in the pit? I can't remember how far back he was. Yeah, he'd have had an older tyre, but he had no grip on that hard tyre anyway.
3 Jun
7:16am, 3 Jun 2025
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Pothunter
I wondered that too RR. His tyres were only 8 laps old anyway.
3 Jun
7:19am, 3 Jun 2025
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HappyG(rrr)
If he stayed out when everyone else jumped in, he'd have been P1 but with old softs and 20 laps to go. As it was SC was about 5 laps, so he probably would have made it to end. But he'd probably have lost 2 or 3 places against new tyre guys. Who knows. Those hards must have been horrendous for him. :-) G
3 Jun
8:42am, 3 Jun 2025
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larkim
I suspect it would have been honours even on the softs. A racy Max trying to hold onto first position vs a freshly shod Oscar or Lando would have had a decent chance of seeing Max stay ahead I would have thought. It doesn't look like a worse choice than the hards.

TBH I was mildly surprised even that both Oscar and Lando pitted at the time; I guess the fresh softs were so much quicker especially in the corners leading onto the straight that it was a no-brainer.
3 Jun
9:40am, 3 Jun 2025
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Pothunter
McLaren did well to double stack the cars and get Lando back out still in 2nd
3 Jun
10:15am, 3 Jun 2025
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larkim
Yes, they were fortunate that the 3.5s or so gap was just about perfect for a double stack. TBH it would be pretty unusual these days for 2 teammates to be closer than 2-3s anyway so a double stack should always be do-able shouldn't it with average pitstops about 2.5s stationary.
3 Jun
11:50am, 3 Jun 2025
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DaveG
The leaders were near pit entrance when the safety car was called, so it was a quick decision or they would potentially have missed the chance. If a McLaren stayed out and it was Max on fresh tyres against McLarens managing tyres it might have come back to him. Given it was a tight call, I suspect it was a case of go for an option and stick with it. Had Oscar been a little further ahead and passed the pit entry it might have looked a wise decision.
3 Jun
12:07pm, 3 Jun 2025
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larkim
One thing I've struggled with understanding over the last few years ref safety cars has been the absence of situations that I'm sure we used to see in the past of lead cars being screwed over by the timing of when the SC was called. I've not checked, but is it because now there is no longer the opportunity to scream around at race pace until you catch the SC so there is no longer a penalty for missing the pit entrance first time around because everyone is limited to VSC pace?

Obviously there remains the issue of being compromised because a SC gets called just after you've made your normal pit stop with others getting a "free" or cheap one, but I'm sure in the past the leader could often end up quite down the field because of something that I can't quite get my head around at the minute!
3 Jun
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larkim
Prompted me to research. Whilst I don't quite understand the timing instructions ("at least once" etc) this is the intentional slowing which I guess was probably added after the Jules Bianchi crash and which makes place swaps under SC much less common I think.

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